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OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

onion2k wrote: post #50
wolttam wrote: post #40

Nobody here talking about what this represents for demand on these models, if these numbers aren’t made up. One person using 600B tokens in a month. The most I’ve hit is around 500M tokens and I thought that was a huge amount. We’re going to have some major compute shortages for a while

Jensen Huang was saying humanity is going to need 1000x the current energy production in the future. He might not be wrong.

Cui bono? Jensen Huang wants you to believe AI is a necessity and that we will need 1000x the energy because he gets even richer if you believe him. It isn't true, though.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by Ferret7446 »

zxornand wrote: post #5

And was he 5x more productive in those 30d than a years worth of a dev making 200k/yr? Doubtful lol, dudes killing the environment just for fun at this point.

Yes, because doing things 12x faster is extremely valuable. How much do you think companies would pay to do things 12x faster? Your competitors take a year to ship a feature that you can ship in a month

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Post by thomasahle »

arkadiytehgraet wrote: post #96
ianm218 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you do with all those accounts?

Probably trying to fix their broken personal website with the half of the links there not working at all.

Is my website broken?

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by polski-g »

MattDaEskimo wrote: post #55
Tiberium wrote: post #24

This is quite a misleading title because this is the raw API cost, but he (obviously) has unlimited usage as an OpenAI employee. Moreover, if you use e.g. the $200 Codex sub, you get about ~$5k-$6k monthly API usage if you spend every week of your usage, if not more, which shows that the raw API cost is not how much it (likely) costs to OpenAI, unless they're subsidizing all this. He did clarify that it was with fast…

How is it misleading if this would be the consumer's cost? Eventually Codex's subscription subsidization will diminish to near-zero, like the rest of the providers. It's extremely important that people understand how expensive these models currently are. Even $300k in raw API costs is alarming for the output.

We know how expensive the (Chinese) models are to run, because there are a hundred inference providers selling them cheaply and competitively.

The money going to the American model companies is not going to their hosting costs.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by Leynos »

impulser_ wrote: post #74
MadxX79 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a healthy industry, selling tokens at 1000x below cost.

I would bet money Anthropic and OpenAI are actually profitable on inference. The problem is they have to spend large sums of money to train models that are essentially worthless after a few months.

A large part of the GPT-5.x model iteration has been about making training more affordable and token efficient.

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Post by kingstnap »

vessenes wrote: post #14
zxornand wrote: post #5

And was he 5x more productive in those 30d than a years worth of a dev making 200k/yr? Doubtful lol, dudes killing the environment just for fun at this point.

If you review the openclaw release schedule and code output you will see that yes, he was. I’m not saying you’ll like what you see, but the openclaw release schedule is well faster than human ability to assess it.

I just looked at and you weren't kidding. There are significant changes every few minutes 24/7.

https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/commits/main/

GitHub insights over the last week.

Excluding merges, 216 authors have pushed 5864 commits to main and 6568 commits to all branches.

On main, 6965 files have changed and there have been 418,110 additions and 126,691 deletions.

In one month Peter makes 12k commits. So he is spending about $100 per commit depending on how much other stuff is going on.

That means he spends about

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by Peacefulz »

therealpygon wrote: post #125
Tiberium wrote: post #24

This is quite a misleading title because this is the raw API cost, but he (obviously) has unlimited usage as an OpenAI employee. Moreover, if you use e.g. the $200 Codex sub, you get about ~$5k-$6k monthly API usage if you spend every week of your usage, if not more, which shows that the raw API cost is not how much it (likely) costs to OpenAI, unless they're subsidizing all this. He did clarify that it was with fast…

Hey guys, I’m super good at using tokens. Business: Amazing, that’s great what did you do? I ran 50 instances and had them all fix the same bugs at the same time and then analyzed the results of all 50 runs to have AI score each of the attempts, then sort them, then compare them to each other in a round robin tournament style double elimination to ensure I got the best result. Then I had AI convert this into a skill,…

This is the best use of tokens I've ever read. I'm building this skill as we speak to use on our Enterprise Claude account.

Wish me luck on a raise!

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by nlawalker »

It’s hilarious to me, seeing that one of the most fundamental challenges and frustrations of the profession of software development is the inability of management to meaningfully measure productivity and resorting to proxy measures, that a huge and vocal community of software developers have themselves become focused on a metric that maps directly to dollars spent.
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