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Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by pasquinelli »

daedrdev wrote: post #63
pasquinelli wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

doesn't surviving a 70 year embargo make you question how bad the communists really are?

Cuba let 20% of the population leave in 2020-24 so that they would have fewer dissenters in the country who might overthrow the government. Thats a higher rate of population per year than the peak of the great Irish famine

if they don't let people leave to prevent total state collapse then they're starving their own people (by means of the american trade embargo); if they do let people leave, it's to tighten their stranglehold on the country.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by ibejoeb »

ceejayoz wrote: post #54
Manuel_D wrote: post #52

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What legal justification could there possibly be for imposing a tarrif on Mexico-Cuba trade that doesn't involve the US at any point? What would your reaction be if China imposed tariffs on US-Canadian border crossings and seized American ships over it?

Good question, and you'd be right that in that situation it wouldn't hold up to scrutiny. That's not what's going on, though. Instead, the tariff applies to trades American trade when it is determined that the other party is also trading with Cuba. The parent is correct; Mexico, or any other country, is free to trade with Cuba, but then it will be subject to American tariffs on American trade. It has to make the choice. There is certainly pressure, but it's on independent states to decide.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by pasquinelli »

Manuel_D wrote: post #92
vrganj wrote: post #48

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It's not a boycott. It's an embargo. The US is boarding and seizing boats with supplies headed for Cuba. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/12/world/americas/venezuela-...

These ships were flying false flags, which is a violation of maritime law. It's legal to board and size ships doing this, regardless of embargos.

one wonders why

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by skeledrew »

Manuel_D wrote: post #112
j_maffe wrote: post #94

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You're straight-up lying. Very shameful thing to do in defence of a heinous act. UN experts condemn US executive order imposing fuel blockade on Cuba https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2026/02/un-experts-c...

If you read the link closely, nowhere does it actually say the US is employing military force to stop ships from docking in Cuba - that's what a blockade is. The author of the piece is essentially trying to redefine "blockade" to mean "embargo". Again, the ships that actually were boarded were doing illegal things like flying false flags to try and continue to trade with Cuba without triggering retaliatory tariffs.

> continue to trade with Cuba without triggering retaliatory tariffs

Why are there "retaliatory tariffs" in the first place? Why is the US forcefully inserting itself into affairs with which it should have no concern? Or are you saying it's the US's concern because... what? They're the world's watchdog and ultimate authority on right behavior? Other countries trading with the countries they've embargoed should rightly be penalized?

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by Manuel_D »

lostlogin wrote: post #100
Manuel_D wrote: post #61

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This ship was flying a false flag [1], which makes it legal for governments to seize regardless of the situation with Cuba. 1. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-we-know-oil-tanker-the-ski...

When the Russian shadow fleet exports oil this way, the US turns a blind eye

The US has seized Russian shadow fleet vessels: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-seizing-venezuela...

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by cwillu »

Manuel_D wrote: post #87
Someone wrote: post #64

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FTA: “U.S. President Donald Trump resumed ramping up a six-decade-old American ecomonic embargo on Cuba in January after cutting off its main supply of oil from Venezuela and threatening sanctions on Mexico, its second largest supply, and any other country that provided oil to the island.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Cuban_crisis : “ The United States began blocking oil tankers heading to Cuba in February 2026…

No really, it's an embargo and a promise to tariff other countries that don't also embargo Cuba. An embargo is like boycotting a store. A blockade is like standing around the store with a bunch of batons promising to apprehend anyone who tries to shop at the store. They are not the same.

The use of tools such as embargoes and threats of economic sanctions to prevent the flow of goods in and out of a set of ports needs to have a name, and “blockade” is as good as any other.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by reducesuffering »

Tangurena2 wrote: post #70
mlmonkey wrote: post #4

I don't really understand the point of the embargo. I am an American. Picking on a tiny country like Cuba serves no purpose. The elites in Cuba are not going to suffer; the normal people will. Instead of acting like a bully, I wish our government would be more magnanimous and just drop the embargo.

As a nation, we're still pissed off that those uppity dark skinned people (/s) overthrew our businesses and replaced the corrupt politicians installed by our government/businesses. Generally, when other nations do that, we invade them. Repeating that pattern in Central America led to coining the phrase "banana republic" to describe it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic Also, we're still pissed off at Iran…

> As a nation, we're still pissed off that those uppity dark skinned people

What? This is currently purely on Cuban-Americans as a voting bloc in Florida...

The recent escalation is due to Marco Rubio, a Cuban-American, being Secretary of State.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by j_maffe »

WarmWash wrote: post #84

There is a point where you are so weak, and your opponent is strong, that the best outcome for everyone on the whole is for you to just capitulate. Surrender. I don't know if there is something I am missing, but to me, the "bad guy" in a situation like this is the one holding onto power at everyone else's (extreme) expense, throwing their own team into the fire to keep their power in place as long as possible.

Great victim blaming

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by Manuel_D »

ceejayoz wrote: post #109
Manuel_D wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct. But the point remains, the US is free to impose a tariff on countries that sell oil to Cuba.

So it's not "a tax that a country imposes on goods entering its borders" now?

No, a tariff is indeed a tax a country imposes on goods entering its borders.

I'm not sure what in my comment you think contradicts this.

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