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The AI Backlash Could Get Ugly

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Post by Henchman21 »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #119
Henchman21 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is almost like the interconnectedness the internet has given us has laid bare the fact that human institutions aren’t to be trusted. That the longer an institution exists the further it drifts from whatever its stated purpose. That they all tend towards corruption, aggregation of power, and actions that are by most people’s definition evil . Or something :)

'Teeth suck because if you don't keep them maintained they degrade over time' Isn't like the basic of reality that everything drifts? If you want to keep order it is a constant task, not a onetime creation be it an institution or a house?

It certainly may be that this is a basic tenet of our reality. But how many people are asleep to reality? How many more have woken up to that specific reality as our old institutions crumble? Yes its obvious but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t need to be said out loud.

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Post by chihuahua »

actionfromafar wrote: post #4
bcjdjsndon wrote: post #2

> They want to replace workers A simple question none of the ai-doomsayers can answer... who buys anything when nobody has a job cos robots do everything?

The robots will tell you what to do, you will own nothing, and you will be happy. I think that is the plan?

Almost, but also don't forget the part where "you vill eat ze bugs."

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Post by ethbr1 »

thomascgalvin wrote: post #130
bluecheese452 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the checks had trumps name on them during the pandemic they loved it. They don’t hate welfare on principle, they hate it when the propaganda tells them to hate it.

They love programs that benefit them, and hate programs that benefit the "wrong" people. Also, the definition of "wrong people" is very easy to guess.

The irony is when political advertising manages to convince people that a policy that would benefit them (because they're poor) would benefit someone they dislike (because they're racist), and they vote against their own self-interest.

See: poor Republicans supporting cuts to ACA

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Post by scruple »

cjs_ac wrote: post #22

> Already, as many as a quarter of Americans seem accepting of violence as a tool for achieving political change. I'm surprised it's only a quarter: violence as a tool for achieving political change is the entire point of the right to bear arms. EDIT: I'm not arguing for or against political violence, just noting an apparent inconsistency between Americans' views and one of the documents that they talk about as thoug…

What percentage of people "seem accepting of violence as a tool" when they're starving to death?

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Post by spwa4 »

> Steve Bannon and Bernie Sanders don’t agree on much ...

Actually they kinda do. Anyone else notice that both extremes have the same policies? (well, Bernie Sanders isn't half as extreme as the other guy of course, but I also don't know anyone better to represent the left. But he's not extreme left by any stretch of the imagination)

But both extreme left and extreme right want very radical actions taken in support of the same goals (like housing, crime, ...), while the center fights them (what the US laughingly calls 2 parties). Only the exact actions differ, and even there, only somewhat. But both (almost all) democrats and (almost all) republicans, for example, defend property rights going so far as NIMBYism.

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

mrhottakes wrote: post #36
cjs_ac wrote: post #22

> Already, as many as a quarter of Americans seem accepting of violence as a tool for achieving political change. I'm surprised it's only a quarter: violence as a tool for achieving political change is the entire point of the right to bear arms. EDIT: I'm not arguing for or against political violence, just noting an apparent inconsistency between Americans' views and one of the documents that they talk about as thoug…

It's 100% accurate to say that the history of the United States is filled to the brim with political change via violence.

Here in the UK, political violence has had its moments. My go to example is the Suffragettes who had to resort to violence (letter bombs if I recall) to effect change and get votes for women.

I often think that people will always criticise protests for not protesting the "correct" way, but it's exactly the violent and/or disruptive protests that tend to work.

However, I think the current U.S. political problems can be better addressed with economic disruption such as general strikes.

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

dlev_pika wrote: post #42
cjs_ac wrote: post #22

> Already, as many as a quarter of Americans seem accepting of violence as a tool for achieving political change. I'm surprised it's only a quarter: violence as a tool for achieving political change is the entire point of the right to bear arms. EDIT: I'm not arguing for or against political violence, just noting an apparent inconsistency between Americans' views and one of the documents that they talk about as thoug…

It’s 25% increase…for every meal missed.

Civilisation is three meals away from anarchy

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Post by jareklupinski »

mrhottakes wrote: post #29
thomascgalvin wrote: post #5

People like Altman and Musk are saying that Universal Basic Income will be necessary once AI has fully automated away most jobs, but at the same time they aggressively fight against any kind of tax policy that would allow UBI to function. I am convinced that their talk of UBI is just handwaving; they're trying to convince us that there will be a solution to the destruction of the economy as we know it, so that we'll…

It's the same "give me a lot of money and everything will be great for everyone!" pitch that rich guys have been running for the history of humanity.

> "give me a lot of money and everything will be great for everyone!"

or a hostage negotiation

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Post by jmcqk6 »

aspenmartin wrote: post #136
jmcqk6 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There will be suffering during transition and there will be many that don’t fare well Yeah, and the people suffering are not going to like that. If people are afraid of being in that group, then they will not be very happy about it. If you put yourself in the shoes of someone suffering from AI, how comforting do you think your observations here are?

Not comforting at all, in fact I would find it aggravating. Yet to imply that means this is somehow a cold and callous take is what I take an issue with because it ignores the vast majority on the other side of the fence, and the economic windfall and quality of life improvement for the majority. The last thing you want to be is like Europe or any other country that is regulating their way out of the loop. You think…

I didn't imply anything. I just called out the emotional reality. There are a lot of externalized pain in the world today, and little recourse to addressing it. You can try telling people that they are naive and need to look at the big picture, but you might not see much success at getting your point across.

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

bcjdjsndon wrote: post #72
pelotron wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We shouldn't be surprised people have a negative view of AI when Altman et al. have stated on stage that the goal is to replace everyone.

Because it's not even logically possible, let alone practically

When a sizeable percentage of people are replaced, who buys all the products that A.I. produces? The whole system just collapses.
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