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Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

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This sounds a bit like Lenin. We know it doesn't work because in the power void created a worse opressor will flourish. How about I take my business to Ireland if you ban encryption or avoid taxes that fund your paycheck, as an individual?

Would you not kill a man who tries to force their way into your home to read your correspondence? I would!

If you aren’t willing to draw non-negotiable lines, you will simply end up ceding more and more of your freedom in exchange for nothing.

Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

#142
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds a bit like Lenin. We know it doesn't work because in the power void created a worse opressor will flourish. How about I take my business to Ireland if you ban encryption or avoid taxes that fund your paycheck, as an individual?

Would you not kill a man who tries to force their way into your home to read your correspondence? I would! If you aren’t willing to draw non-negotiable lines, you will simply end up ceding more and more of your freedom in exchange for nothing.

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Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

#143
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds a bit like Lenin. We know it doesn't work because in the power void created a worse opressor will flourish. How about I take my business to Ireland if you ban encryption or avoid taxes that fund your paycheck, as an individual?

Would you not kill a man who tries to force their way into your home to read your correspondence? I would! If you aren’t willing to draw non-negotiable lines, you will simply end up ceding more and more of your freedom in exchange for nothing.

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Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

#144
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds a bit like Lenin. We know it doesn't work because in the power void created a worse opressor will flourish. How about I take my business to Ireland if you ban encryption or avoid taxes that fund your paycheck, as an individual?

Would you not kill a man who tries to force their way into your home to read your correspondence? I would! If you aren’t willing to draw non-negotiable lines, you will simply end up ceding more and more of your freedom in exchange for nothing.

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Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

#145

> Mass surveillance, of course, isn’t what the delegation is proposing. The fear isn’t that a French investigator will read every WhatsApp message. French investigators won't care about every WhatsApp message. But they definitely will slurp them all up, process them all with AI, and read them whenever they have an interest. And they will deny they are doing this as they do this.

It will become more important over time - Telegram and the TON coin are reintegrating. So messaging surveillance is financial surveillance too? Price is going up too. https://x.com/BSCNews/status/2053046567930937817 Upgraded a month ago: https://x.com/durov/status/2042247948147241072 It'd be interesting (horrifying?) to see something that was once assumed secret go public. Imagine if all chats and payments eventually…

What a delightfully complex and speculative ecosystem we've developed. Sure do hope that no-one uses the compound key of all of a person's purchases, movements, and interpersonal communications for anything bad. Gee. Just gotta wonder what those eggheads are up to!

Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

#147
post #110
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I'm starting to think we need to make encryption a protected class, so that we can label speaking against it as hate speech. Let's start putting some of these politicians in jail for being stupid.

How about let's not vote for stupid politicians?

They're all stupid.

Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

#148
post #118

So in France you will not be able to send your friend gibberish text that only you and your friend understand. Will they also ban the ability to make new languages that only you and your friends understand. Will they also ban whispering?

I have talked about it with a high-ranking french policeman. That person is mostly active in fighting sex-crimes on children, which is the angle I will mostly be referring to. From what I understood, it is very clear to them that even if these laws comes to pass, a good amount of criminal activities will move to other safer options. However, the general criminal is not technically competent. Currently, with WhatsApp…

>By hashing any sent images and comparing them to the checksum of known ones

How do you propose that would happen in an e2e chat?

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