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Re: The Vatican's Website in Latin

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Unrelated to Latin. I speak four languages, each learned in a totally different way. The fastest that I've learned a language was by buying a grammar and spending hours on end doing grammar exercises. It doesn't just work by "traditional academic metrics", it works and fast. That's because it's faster to learn something if you're explicitly shown the pattern and then you do repetition, than if you just do the repetit…

Now I’m curious; what book of grammar was it? What did the exercises look like? What other languages and strategies did you use?

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Re: The Vatican's Website in Latin

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This sounds like a whiggish progressive distortion of history. First, the Church isn't in the business of policy . The Church recognizes the distinction between secular and religious authority, and indeed, it is the origin of that distinction, from which the exaggerated liberal separation of Church and State comes from (you won't find this distinction outside of Christianity, and indeed it makes no sense outside of t…

> This sounds like a whiggish progressive distortion of history. Proceeds to argue that the Catholic Church is not in the business of policy, when it ran an actual, sizeable _nation state_ all the way to 1870 and in fact was extremely pissy when it was taken from them. And you call me distorting? Lol. They are in the business of policy, they've always been. Dude, I'm from a city that was directly ruled by popes for c…

You haven't actually made any cogent argument, just a strangely emotional, mocking, cynical, and hand-wavy remark that doesn't address anything (you also say "we've dealt with" as if you personally lived through it).

Yes, there actually is a distinction between ecclesiastical authority and secular authority. The same person can hold both secular and ecclesiastical offices. The Church - the institution - wasn't deciding policy in the Papal States, and it is not deciding it in the Holy See today. It is simply nonsensical to claim that.

Of course, the Church does maintain that all states must conform their laws (ius civile/lex) to the natural and divine law, but that's a general moral claim. I think most sane people would reject positivist conceptions of law as crazy and tyrannical, and would agree that the civil law should be a determination of general moral principles according to particular circumstances within a jurisdiction, and not arbitrary. Policy thus properly belongs to the state which is guardian of the particular common good of its jurisdiction. So, yeah, I would expect someone holding both offices to enact policies that coherently agree with the teaching he is transmitting through his ecclesiastical office. But as I said, the Church already expects all secular authority to conform prudently to the natural law at the very least, and the fullness of the Church's teachings if they are a Catholic confessional state.

But more to the point, it is irrelevant, because even if the Church had been directly deciding policy in the Papal States, it wouldn't follow that the Church has the authority to enact policy just anywhere. Its authority rests above it, like a referee.

Re: The Vatican's Website in Latin

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post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This sounds like a whiggish progressive distortion of history. Proceeds to argue that the Catholic Church is not in the business of policy, when it ran an actual, sizeable _nation state_ all the way to 1870 and in fact was extremely pissy when it was taken from them. And you call me distorting? Lol. They are in the business of policy, they've always been. Dude, I'm from a city that was directly ruled by popes for c…

You haven't actually made any cogent argument, just a strangely emotional, mocking, cynical, and hand-wavy remark that doesn't address anything (you also say "we've dealt with" as if you personally lived through it). Yes , there actually is a distinction between ecclesiastical authority and secular authority. The same person can hold both secular and ecclesiastical offices. The Church - the institution - wasn't decid…

> The Church - the institution - wasn't deciding policy in the Papal States

Airight, I see that for you white is black if you look at it the right way. Goodbye.

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