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This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by jordand »

LeFantome wrote: post #131
jordand wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ladybird has a close relationship with FUTO which is a pretty oddly behaved private for-profit company ran by a bored multi-millionaire. https://drewdevault.com/blog/Whats-up-with-FUTO/

By “close relationship”, I assume you mean that FUTO is a financial sponsor. Ladybird has been pretty clear that they will accept money from pretty much anybody but that funding will not provide influence. I mean, they mostly make sure sponsors websites look good in Ladybird but even that seems like a low priority if you watch them.

Andreas is involved with FUTO's conferences, and given a keynote presentation at one. It's more than just financial.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by aucisson_masque »

bityard wrote: post #2

It looks like this is getting pretty usable! This post reminded me of gaming emulator updates that I also love to read. "Fixed X bug to make Y behave correctly, which means game Z works now." (One of the things they fixed was CSS Doom, so I guess there is some legitimate overlap to gaming at any rate.)

There is a difference tho between being'pretty usable' and actually being usable with your passwords, data and just being reliable enough for everyday.

I think the gap between having nothing to having a prototype is way smaller than between having something 'pretty usable' and something that is usable.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by wyre »

brookst wrote: post #113
hellcow wrote: post #86

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When these mega-companies block new competitors it really ought to be seen as collusion. Google, Facebook, and Microsoft certainly have the resources to test and approve the occasional new browser.

They don’t even have the resources to test the most common browsers on every scenario of every page of every application, let alone fix every issue such testing would find.

Big if true

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by kbelder »

fabrice_d wrote: post #138
LeFantome wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By “close relationship”, I assume you mean that FUTO is a financial sponsor. Ladybird has been pretty clear that they will accept money from pretty much anybody but that funding will not provide influence. I mean, they mostly make sure sponsors websites look good in Ladybird but even that seems like a low priority if you watch them.

It's very naive to believe the "no influence" part. I will never give to Ladybird given their closeness with fascists. Is that the kind of influence they expect?

I guess you'll have no influence over Ladybird, then.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by ricardobeat »

chatmasta wrote: post #95
ricardobeat wrote: post #90

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YouTube is crippled in Firefox, has been for years. It doesn’t force you to use Chrome, just a little nudge

How so? I use Firefox for all leisure activities, including extensive YouTube usage, and have never noticed any issue. I’m running uBlock Origin and Sponsor Block. I’m logged into a dedicated Google account I made solely for browsing YouTube (so I can keep the viewing history without linking it too obviously to my main Google account).

Page load takes twice as long as Chrome, videos buffer more slowly, and memory usage grows much faster. After a dozen tabs it starts visibly lagging when you press play/pause, the exact same session works flawlessly in Chrome.

It doesn't seem to affect everyone equally. Pretending to be Chrome sometimes helps - not too long ago someone found a piece of code that introduced seconds of busy delay for any non-Chrome user agent.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by csb6 »

LeFantome wrote: post #131
jordand wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ladybird has a close relationship with FUTO which is a pretty oddly behaved private for-profit company ran by a bored multi-millionaire. https://drewdevault.com/blog/Whats-up-with-FUTO/

By “close relationship”, I assume you mean that FUTO is a financial sponsor. Ladybird has been pretty clear that they will accept money from pretty much anybody but that funding will not provide influence. I mean, they mostly make sure sponsors websites look good in Ladybird but even that seems like a low priority if you watch them.

I've never understood that stance because surely the mere threat (even implied) of a sponsor removing thousands in funding would be enough to exert influence on the project.

The sponsor money is used to pay developers to work on Ladybird so a major sponsor pulling out could mean laying off core developers, which the project would obviously be motivated to prevent.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by latexr »

dirasieb wrote: post #99
latexr wrote: post #74

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I’d rather have a good browser which took its time to get things right than a speed run one. Too much software is written like that, and the result is that most things are shit. What are we in such a hurry for? To get more time to work more? Fucking chill. Do things slowly and right. As a side thought, speed running seems like the wrong analogy for software. Speed runners in games are people who spend a ton of time d…

are you willing to contribute time, money and code?

Your argument is so removed from the point, it’s an entirely different conversation.

I already contribute time and code to open source projects, and I promise you’ll have heard of some of the things I contributed a lot to. That’s beside the point.

This is like saying “I’d prefer if doctors took their time with patients to understand their cases and provide meaningful accurate resolutions to ailments instead of rushing” and you replying with ”oh yeah, are you willing to contribute with medicine and triage?”.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by latexr »

TehCorwiz wrote: post #91
latexr wrote: post #74

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I’d rather have a good browser which took its time to get things right than a speed run one. Too much software is written like that, and the result is that most things are shit. What are we in such a hurry for? To get more time to work more? Fucking chill. Do things slowly and right. As a side thought, speed running seems like the wrong analogy for software. Speed runners in games are people who spend a ton of time d…

What are your thoughts on the current code quality? Have you had a chance to review it?

I have, but that’s irrelevant. I’m commenting on the general sentiment, not any specific project.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

LeFantome wrote: post #135
kelvinjps10 wrote: post #115

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I thought it was more related to Louis Rossmann that's where I learnend from

Louis Rossmann Is directly related to FUTO and has passionately advocated for them. Ladybird has taken sponsorship money from FUTO and claims publicly that sponsorship provides no influence.

Yeah but in the comments they're naming other people I never heard of

Re: This Month in Ladybird – April 2026

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Post by hitekker »

jordand wrote: post #141
LeFantome wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By “close relationship”, I assume you mean that FUTO is a financial sponsor. Ladybird has been pretty clear that they will accept money from pretty much anybody but that funding will not provide influence. I mean, they mostly make sure sponsors websites look good in Ladybird but even that seems like a low priority if you watch them.

Andreas is involved with FUTO's conferences, and given a keynote presentation at one. It's more than just financial.

And Drew Devault, your source, has brazenly deceived HN before https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41838124

To be clear, that source is happy to lie about their own identity and run away from basic questions. I'd treat this as another ill-baked cancel campaign unless someone actually credible speaks up

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