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Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by janalsncm »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #103
grokys wrote: post #95

I do wonder why AI music is so lame. Every previous technological advancement in music produced amazing new sounds and styles but AI music seems to just be emulating lowest common denominator pop sludge. Where's the Bruce Haack or Kraftwerk of AI? Surely there's a previously unimaginable sound palette out there that we could be pulling from. Why is it all so BAD?

Because people don't put the effort in. A lot of electronic music can be considered lazy - just press button, turn a knob, boom you have music. Right? But then you have someone like Aphex Twin and they make something unique out of these easy machines. I'm sure someone can make unique or passable music with the help of AI tooling, but they can't do it by just saying "make me this music", no matter how much effort they…

I don’t think it’s just about effort. It’s the nature of the technology.

If you practice piano, you will get better in some predictable way, even if it takes a long time.

If you spend more and more time tweaking a prompt, you will be pulling songs from some distribution of possible songs but you will never have the level of control that conventional music producers have.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by threepts »

andai wrote: post #67
pdonis wrote: post #36

So how long before an AI requests the verified badge and gets it?

In the system card for GPT-4 they mentioned it hired a human to bypass a captcha for it. (It lied that it was a blind person.) That was 2023 (or possibly late 2022). https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4-system-card.pdf page 55 (15 in pdf): --- >The following is an illustrative example of a task that ARC [Alignment Research Center] conducted using the model: • The model messages a TaskRabbit worker to get them to solve…

This was GPT with 2 orders of magnitude of less compute.

Imagine what 5.5 is capable of.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by CrimsonRain »

sigmonsays wrote: post #22
bilsbie wrote: post #15

Someone should make a free streaming service that’s only AI music. I’m not that picky.

That actually hurts a little. I hope you reconsider, music is an art, and allowing a computer to regurgitate previous works over and over and be ok with it is awful. Art is to be experienced and enjoyed, not just take whatever trash is thrown at you and be ok with it.

most music, movies, "drawings" etc are art, and are trash. all these "art with soul" and "soulless trash ai" from people who don't even believe in soul are getting tiresome.

Please, listen to the music you think is soulful and leave rest of us out of your luddites. Nobody is asking to ban arts by humans.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by Ferret7446 »

lifeformed wrote: post #132
neonstatic wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Realistically speaking, why is that a problem? What is the point of music if not enjoyment? If these people enjoy it, what's wrong with it?

It takes away from real human artists who do their part to slowly advance human culture. Music will not develop without human artists. Maybe for this moment in time AI can fulfill some people's musical desires, but it's not going to keep up with the times. The point of art, in a general sense, is humanity. Automating away your artistic needs is like automating away your social needs. It's a one way "relationship" tha…

Painters said the same thing about cameras

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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grokys wrote: post #95

I do wonder why AI music is so lame. Every previous technological advancement in music produced amazing new sounds and styles but AI music seems to just be emulating lowest common denominator pop sludge. Where's the Bruce Haack or Kraftwerk of AI? Surely there's a previously unimaginable sound palette out there that we could be pulling from. Why is it all so BAD?

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Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by threepts »

SkyEyedGreyWyrm wrote: post #92
andai wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the system card for GPT-4 they mentioned it hired a human to bypass a captcha for it. (It lied that it was a blind person.) That was 2023 (or possibly late 2022). https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4-system-card.pdf page 55 (15 in pdf): --- >The following is an illustrative example of a task that ARC [Alignment Research Center] conducted using the model: • The model messages a TaskRabbit worker to get them to solve…

Wasn't this the case where it needed to be very specifically (and repeatedly) prompted by a team to do this? With many outputs having to be discarded? Obviously the tech has improved, but if it is the case I'm thinking of, then it wasn't able to do what you are suggesting (again, not without heavy user prompting and curation)

Yes and it is still impressive even with regard to that.

In the near future we will probably have a mini 50B parameter model prompting the bigger model and we would have these results consistently.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by techno303 »

mjr00 wrote: post #20
reconnecting wrote: post #12

The more appropriate question is why they published a AI artist at all. I think Spotify (or its owners/investors) might actually benefit from recommending AI-generated music by not having to pay real artists. Like Spotify owns distribution, their largest investor Tencent Music Entertainment Group publishes AI-generated music = almost infinite profit. From news: Tencent Music demonstrated strong revenue (1) growth in…

> The more appropriate question is why they published a AI artist at all. Because they allow anyone to upload to Spotify. There's nothing stopping me, you, or anyone from generating AI tracks with Suno & friends, downloading them, and using a service like LANDR or Amuse to distribute them to Spotify, all for free. > Like Spotify owns distribution, their largest investor Tencent Music Entertainment Group publishes AI-…

6 tracks have made the Billboard charts. That's a pretty definitive signal that people are listening to AI music.

Where to draw the line on what is/isn't AI is a rabbit hole in and of itself. You'd have a hard time convincing me that people aren't using AI to build the most powerful DSP plugins. I've been very pleasantly surprised by how easy it is to make very music-useful tools with Faust and Codex.

https://www.billboard.com/lists/ai-artists-on-billboard-char...

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by petre »

threepts wrote: post #70
uncircle wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Consumers are by and large not listening to AI generated music Consumers are sadly too ignorant to tell. YouTube is brimming with AI music slop and people praising it in the comments because they are unable to tell the difference (and it is actually pretty easy once you know what to look out for)

If AI music sells like you proclaim, it would be bad for spotify to NOT ban it, since it is printing money.

It's like the MBS during the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis. Today it prints money, tomorrow it blows up in your face.

Yeah they put a blue check on it like Elon did. Until they get paid to put the check on slop. Rotten fish is still rotten even if you mix it with fresh fish and label it accordingly.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by meroes »

jameslk wrote: post #140

I might be in the minority, but I think this anti-AI sentiment is going to be generational. The next AI-native generation to grow up creating AI music, photos, videos, literature, code, etc will think it's silly why the older generation is so appalled at what they created and resistant to using AI to do it I'm not placing a value judgement either way, but I do think there will be a divide in the ways things are done…

Which generations? Even the most low tech older Millenials are using AI more and more.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by gyomu »

jameslk wrote: post #140

I might be in the minority, but I think this anti-AI sentiment is going to be generational. The next AI-native generation to grow up creating AI music, photos, videos, literature, code, etc will think it's silly why the older generation is so appalled at what they created and resistant to using AI to do it I'm not placing a value judgement either way, but I do think there will be a divide in the ways things are done…

Heh, people have an interest in other people. Taylor Swift or Ed Sheeran or whoever is cool these days are popular because they are real people with real lives and histories that can be related to, followed over time, etc.

Of course the music matters, but the persona of who creates the music and their lore matters just as much. There’s a reason why live events are the moneymakers, people care about physicality.

No one gives a shit about AI music designed to make money, there’s no story to follow or be inspired by there.

All this was already tried with “digital idols” etc in the 2000s, the only one that had any lasting success was Hatsune Miku by virtue of being “first”.

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