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Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

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Post by Unmotivator2677 »

skydhash wrote: post #98
mlinhares wrote: post #83

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You're discounting the "being able to write properly and put ideas into inteligible text" skill piece here.

Most good programmers are good at writing. If you’re capable at simultaneously writing instructions for a dumb abstract machine and have those instructions being understandable for humans, you’re clearly good at expressing at least technical ideas.

Yeah, never had a problem with explaining to AI what I want from it. That doesn't mean AI always follows what I tell it to do ...

Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

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Post by Unmotivator2677 »

mawadev wrote: post #55
dudisubekti wrote: post #7

Black-and-white thinking like this is not healthy. You can still do creative thinking while using AI as a powerful tool at your disposal. Some mathematicians like Terence Tao are comfortable doing this, for example.

I feel like I use AI this way, but a majority of my peers lean too much into it. There used to be the sentence "we don't think, we google", and I see that with ai usage. As soon as a roadblock appears, the situation is pasted in GPT without further engaging with it, then they pick up the phone and open an app while GPT does its thing 0_o

We don't think - sounds like the same crowd as the people who think creativity doesn't exist.

Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

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Post by cassianoleal »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #119
pydry wrote: post #100

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i always found it to be easier to write code myself than to direct a junior developer. the level of teaching involved would always mean the overall velocity of work slowed down. some people say you can throw them the drudge work but i find that if you're doing coding right (e.g. you dont let your code base degenerate into a mess of boilerplate), there is barely any drudge work to do.

i always found it to be easier to write code myself than to direct a junior developer. Me, too. But that doesn't mean I'm a great developer, just a shitty manager.

Perhaps but at least when you are directing a junior developer, even if badly, you'll eventually get a non-junior developer on the other side. With an AI agent, you'll get ... what?

Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

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Post by dudisubekti »

LaGrange wrote: post #69
dudisubekti wrote: post #7

Black-and-white thinking like this is not healthy. You can still do creative thinking while using AI as a powerful tool at your disposal. Some mathematicians like Terence Tao are comfortable doing this, for example.

> You can still do creative thinking while using AI as a powerful tool at your disposal. It remains the case that AI _erodes_ your ability to that. So, eventually, after a few years, no, you can't. Edit: meanwhile you're making yourself disposable. So, have fun with that.

Thanks for the warm wishes, stranger

I see no point in denying the technology, it's best to do what we humans do best: adapt with it.

Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

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Post by simonw »

sdevonoes wrote: post #62

Any engineer (any person actually) can “learn to use AI” in a couple of days. It’s not rocket science; there’s no chance of left behind. If you haven’t use LLMs at all, a weekend would be enough to be on par with everyone else in the industry

Firmly disagree. Learning how to use these tools effectively is unintuitively difficult.

They're great at some stuff and terrible at other stuff in ways that are very hard to predict.

I'm figuring out new and better ways to use them in a daily basis, and I've been an almost daily user for nearly three years.

Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

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Post by freejazz »

embedding-shape wrote: post #64
freejazz wrote: post #48

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> You mean like "I feel shameful over that people saw that my writing was actually AI?" or something else? Well if you don't have dignity in the first place, its hard to have any shame over losing it

I suppose. So I still don't understand why users of AI should feel like they've lost their dignity, does it matter where the AI runs or using AI is just shameful regardless?

If you had dignity, you'd probably not want to have an AI write for you was my point

Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

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Post by keithnz »

DonaldPShimoda wrote: post #112
keithnz wrote: post #89

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I find the people who go "its just statistical" "its just picking the next word" have probably not really understood what the actual tool can do. Ultimately its arguable whether humans are just statistical also, our brains are pattern matching machines. It's just not sensible to boil it down complex behavior to a fundamental building block. It's not hype (though there is hype), vast amounts of people are getting real…

I don't think anywhere I said they weren't useful tools; I said that a lot of people fail to recognize the limitations, and that even aside from limitations/utility there is a discussion to be had about broader impact. LLMs are not hype, but "AI" is. AI is a marketing term, and always has been.

what makes you think that people are failing to recognize the limitations? Seems to me that's the most obvious thing when you try to build things with it.

Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

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Post by eleventen »

LaGrange wrote: post #138
buffalobuffalo wrote: post #114

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I mean, that works for you since you're retiring. But for people still working in the industry, you adapt or die. As it's always been. The fact of the matter is, a person working with a bunch of agents is a lot more productive than just a person. It makes research faster. It makes experimentation faster. It makes output cleaner. And this is true across many disciplines, not just tech. Also, it is a skill. Yes, anyone…

> I mean, that works for you since you're retiring. But for people still working in the industry, you adapt or die. As it's always been. There are jobs outside of IT. They are harder, they have less benefits, they pay less. It's a whole project to switch your lifestyle so you can even afford them. I know nobody who regrets making the jump. I hope to make it within this year. I'll be poor, but at least I won't work in…

> I hope to make it within this year.

What's your plan?

Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

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Post by jsbisviewtiful »

Tade0 wrote: post #90

Friendly reminder that we're still in the hype phase, even if it's the late stages. To me the idea that a GPU which costs as much as a car must read its entire VRAM just to output a word sounds incredibly wasteful. I'm exaggerating here, but it is literally reading gigabytes of data and processing it to produce relatively little information. Some data is truly worth the effort, but the majority won't be able to affor…

> a GPU which costs as much as a car must read its entire VRAM just to output a word sounds incredibly wasteful

Kind of how I feel about Bitcoin at this point. The coins take so incredibly long to mine if you aren't in a pool that it could cost hundreds of dollars in electricity to own a fraction of the coin months later.

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