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U.S. war in Iran has cost $25B so far, says Pentagon official

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For context Doge saved 2-3 billion by independent estimates. And cut some of the most important international aid around the world.

Not only aid, it was a powerful tool for the extension of American soft power around the globe. But I guess we're no longer able to reason in the abstract beyond "helping people is woke."

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For many weapon systems, we burned through a decade of inventory in a month. Rapid replenishment will be expensive.

Those stock piles are for war with China/Russia/Iran. If we end up in a situation where that has shifted to China/Russia, they will have been put to their intended/purchased for use.

This is massively and factually incorrect. When congress passed _defense_ budgets for the last 30+ years none of the munitions intended for the defense of the united states were earmarked for "war with China/Russia/Iran". Some were sold/"gifted" to Ukraine/Israel/etc but there is no language in any bill about stockpiling arms for war against one of those named countries. War which congress must declare.

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Being a net exporter is completely irrelevant when prices are set globally. Such a statement is like shining a laser pointer to distract a cat, fun, but meaningless.

You do realize some net exporters subsidize their domestic supply to keep the people happy?

Do I realize that? I know we pay a fuck ton of tax subsidies to oil extractors, but the only people keeping happy are the small "mom and pop" oil producers that eat up all that subsidy.

Prices are still set on the international market, that subsidy does not affect prices.

Or, do you have some other subsidy that brings down the prices that consumers in the US pay? If so, name it!

If President Trump–who is so deep in oil & gas special interests that he has decided that US Taxpayers need to pay nearly $1B to cancel a wind power project–is going to start doing export controls to keep oil prices down, well then he runs into the problem that we export and import a ton to get the right type of crude in our refineries. If he is going to start subsidizing oil consumption, well, my god we are in for a wild ride on the economy and deserve all the misery that it will bring.

Re: U.S. war in Iran has cost $25B so far, says Pentagon official

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> Many cannot accept its dangerous world. The ballistic missiles are the danger, and Iran already has those. There is no missile or reentry vehicle in Iran's possession that can credibly threaten the United States with a nuclear weapon. > US & USSR alone has several near-miss detonations/launches. According to Seymour Hersh, Israel was close to using their nuclear weapon as well. Why not focus on their disarmament fi…

Yesterday the Iranian embassy in the UK called for attacks in the UK. Today there were stabbings. Iran likes to demonstrate that they can reach out a touch someone.

Case in point. Clearly neither of those are nuclear-level threats, the IRGC and Mossad have both fomented public violence for decades at this point.

Their Tom & Jerry reenactment is not casus belli for the US or Europe. You'll note that no Article 4 has been invoked over Iran because it's not a legitimate security concern for any of NATO's members.

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Perspective: - $9b per month increase in US oil export revenue as a result offsets probably 40% of the cost. - Several trillion (with a 'T") of realized and yet to be realized FDI commitments from gulf states more than offsets cost by about 3x. - A nuclear Iran carries economic costs I won't detail here to prevent a wall of text. In sum, forces other countries to go nuclear and take other actions to manage risk, and…

A problem with your "voice of reason" is the assumption that it will prevent nukes in Iran or the region. The US people have just offered an object lesson in why deterrent weapons are useful. How capricious they are in diplomacy. And how willing Americans are to withdraw boots on the ground in allied countries. Of course most of that won't be surprising to Iranians.

> The US people have just offered an object lesson in why deterrent weapons are useful.

It's easy, we don't let them have nukes, period. Bombing their underground facilities was absolutely the right thing to do and can be repeated if/when they rebuild. I would go further, finish the job, and insist on complete disarmament of the country.

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Trump kidnaps a sitting president of a foreign nation after months of conducting strikes in the Caribbean. This is not a war but calling him "averagely warmongering" is just wrong.

Which American president did not cause the removal of a sitting leader of a foreign nation from power? Doing it bloodlessly rather than through direct military force or by arming local terrorists absolutely does make you less warmongering than average.

> Which American president did not cause the removal of a sitting leader of a foreign nation from power?

Joe Biden. Unless you'd contend that withdrawing from Afghanistan was an elaborate, self-owning plot to overthrow the US-friendly government in favor of the Taliban, which I think goes against the spirit of your question.

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Is it? I don't think so.

> Is it? I don't think so. I mean, they're projecting $750 billion in 2026, and apparently they spent $450 billion on them last year: https://about.bnef.com/insights/commodities/ai-data-center-b... . $25 billion is like six datacenters worth of money: https://www.reuters.com/commentary/breakingviews/how-big-tec... . It's a drop in the bucket.

US Defense spending is bigger than that $1000 B per year, and on its way up to $1500B per year. I wouldn't consider a $25B operation a drop in the bucket of that larger number, it's a significant outlay that has been a huge cost to military readiness, massively depleting our precision munitions. We don't pay the manufacturers nearly enough to keep production lines up, and we are a decade away from being back to readiness again. It's going to take years to pay massive amounts to bring those up to scale.

$25B in a few months is also more than the average annual amount of military aid sent to Ukraine from the US, and the Trump administration considers this to not be a "drop in a bucket" either, and in fact a huge imposition that should not happen at all.

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As a European center/moderate kind of person I agree with the US POTUS about this one thing: Iran can not be allowed to build nuclear weapons. I personally don’t buy the line of thought that Iran has no such ambitions; YMMV. Whether this war is effective at stopping that is another question.

They had an agreement that was working which Trump tore up and then went to war on Israel’s behalf. So it was largely a solved problem until Trump created the problem.

Clearly, it wasn't working if they needed to hide their activities in underground bunkers. The plan for the Iranians has always been to buy time and obtain sanctions relief while secretly using the money to fund nuclear technology and build missiles. The only durable solution here is the collapse of the terrorist regime and disarmament of the county.

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Trump kidnaps a sitting president of a foreign nation after months of conducting strikes in the Caribbean. This is not a war but calling him "averagely warmongering" is just wrong.

Which American president did not cause the removal of a sitting leader of a foreign nation from power? Doing it bloodlessly rather than through direct military force or by arming local terrorists absolutely does make you less warmongering than average.

Removing Maduro was absolutely the right thing to do in America's interest, and was relatively inexpensive. Millions of barrels of oil are now flowing out of Venezuela into America, and, as a side effect, other enemies like Cuba are strictly worse off too. In fact, Cuba will very likely either collapse too soon. Another 70 yo problem solved.

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That could be asked of the data centers and the war

The data center money was private capital put up by individuals and corporations willingly. They are seeking to provide a product (compute) to paying consumers. You can have an opinion on whether or not AI/data centers are worthwhile, but ultimately it wasn't made by your money.

They are using public utilities though, and that's the main issue people have at this time.
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