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10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by justincormack »

Aurornis wrote: post #87
TexanFeller wrote: post #16

I'm extremely happy after upgrading my network to 10gbit copper ethernet. It was much more expensive than I thought it should be, but worth it even if I only max it occasionally. Now I can easily fully saturate my 10gbit ethernet doing a first Time Machine backup or transferring files to my M.2 SSD NAS which saves me waiting rime and is satisfying to watch. It's wild to me that 10gbit isn't the norm by now and tech p…

> It's wild to me that 10gbit isn't the norm by now 10G was too big of a step up from 1G. The expense and power required made it unattractive. Only recently have the interfaces for 10G over twisted pair become reasonably low power. 2.5G and even 5G are in a much better spot. It's where I recommend most people start as a default.

5G barely exists and mostly is the same price as 10Gb. 2.6Gb is taking off and mostly replacing 1Gb, but try to find a 5Gb switch, there really arent any, and most appear to be 10Gb switches with 5Gb PHY in them.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by lostlogin »

scq wrote: post #122
p_ing wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Power usage is a good reason to stick with non-SFP ports. And you can use CAT5e with 10Gbps networks given the run is short enough. I run 2.5Gbps over CAT5e with no issues throughout my house (I don't need that much bandwidth except when downloading Steam games).

10Gbps fibre uses significantly less power than 10Gbps copper ethernet.

I read that parent comment as referring to POE, but am doubting myself after reading yours.

POE is a great reason for rj45.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by lostlogin »

HDBaseT wrote: post #99
zamadatix wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I regularly hit 4.7 gbps on a 5 Gbps line pulling files (usenet is usually faster than torrent, but the latter can be equally as fast depending on the torrent & how good the client software is). It's great to just grab an entire movie series in 4k Blu Ray remux quality in 5 minutes and go. No real need to plan ahead for anything.

Yeah, Usenet is crazy quick. I've saturated 10Gbps on Usenet before, pretty easily. Torrents (as you mention) can be equally as fast. Well seeded, private tracker torrents can easily download at above 1Gbps (depending on piece size, etc).

Can’t get much over a gigabit here I’d nz.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by lostlogin »

mikepurvis wrote: post #31
IshKebab wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I foolishly paid for 500 Mb/s but the only things I ever get over even 200 Mb/s for in the UK are Steam downloads (and speed tests). Everything else seems to be roughly throttled at that rate.

Telus gave me a good price and I'd already invested in a Unifi gateway that could accept the ONT directly, so that was fun to play with.

How else would you connect? Some ISP box?

Sorry, I’m not familiar with any other way.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by lostlogin »

randunel wrote: post #139
fulafel wrote: post #129

It's interesting how slow the uptake has been. 10GbE is from 2002, 24 years old. It's much worse than IPv6, at least we're up to 50% uptake there. 100 GbE is 15 years old too depending on which standard you think of. (The most common physical layer, SR4, is 11 yrs old) Gigabit ethernet came much faster after 100 M.

I can install 1Gbps using copper cables + RJ45 and household tools. I can't install 10Gbps using a $10 crimper. Therefore, I have 1Gbps all through my house and 10Gbps between equipment next to the access point.

You can’t crimp cat 6?

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by lostlogin »

Arubis wrote: post #114

If you’re going to go to all this trouble, please do seriously consider pulling singlemode fibre instead. It is more planning up front, but when you’re ready for your next upgrade cycle, you can reuse the same fibre and change out the hardware on each end.

They are much smaller to post though holes etc too.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by lostlogin »

cyberax wrote: post #19

The Mikrotik switch is awesome, and it's still the most compact 10G switch available. You can fix the thermal issue either by adding a small fan (Noctua is great) or by adding more radiators: https://pics.ealex.net/share/UxeSf_AWHLIuc-qzK5zl7JIgQvQDAZh... I've been running it like this in a closed comm box for the last 3 years without any issues. SFP+ modules actually do not use that much power, it's just that it's c…

Just needs a guitar shooting fire and it’s a Mad Max prop.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by Havoc »

thefz wrote: post #35
xxpor wrote: post #26

Unfortunately the blog didn't link to the SFP+ module they're using, but everyone should know there's effectively 2 different generations of 10gbit sfp+ to ethernet^H10BASE-T modules. The old gen, labeled as 30 meters, draws ~3 W, and gets extremely hot (to the point it'll usually cause link flaps), and the newer gen, usually labeled as 100m or 80m, draws ~1.5 W, and runs much, much cooler. Example of the new gen: ht…

Thanks! 10Gb Eth is insane for exactly this reason (optical SFP+ modules are way cheaper and more reliable)

Problem is you get X1 pcie gen4 cards for 10g eth but not sfp

…and a lot of consumer boards have spare x1s

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by Havoc »

TexanFeller wrote: post #16

I'm extremely happy after upgrading my network to 10gbit copper ethernet. It was much more expensive than I thought it should be, but worth it even if I only max it occasionally. Now I can easily fully saturate my 10gbit ethernet doing a first Time Machine backup or transferring files to my M.2 SSD NAS which saves me waiting rime and is satisfying to watch. It's wild to me that 10gbit isn't the norm by now and tech p…

You can definitely get stable 1gig throughput through WiFi. Doesn’t even need WiFi 7/6E - possible on 6. Ran a WiFi bridge like that for years and - no packet loss, consistent gig through and maybe +1ms latency

The gotcha is both ends needs to be good radios. So a router to router bridge tends to work better than router to end user device. Also had near LoS which presumably helped a ton

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by denkmoon »

apelapan wrote: post #5

I might have been lucky, but in the one home and one office were I've connected 10gbit switches and PCIe cards, it has just worked. Especially the office was a nice surprise, because it is at least 20 meters (probably more) of unknown cabling and at least one unknown patch panel between the utility closet where the NAS lives and the desk area. The cables were run 15 years ago, so I expected it to be cat 5, but clearl…

> It really is ten times less waiting than with plain old gigabit.

Man I wish I had the kind of money/hardware to get 10gbit disk io out of a nas.

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