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Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by WaxProlix »

_boffin_ wrote: post #123
WaxProlix wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not an issue of how - there's a great ADM with markup/down supported already, waiting for system prompts to be injected in realtime via the same online auction system that powers banner ads and smart tv content. There's got to be some latent resistance to the idea for now - but it's so easy to do, it'll happen.

Can you provide some references to what you’re talking about

Sure, https://iabtechlab.com/standards/openrtb/

There's a standardized, normal (in adtech) approach to building 'creative's (viewed/seen ads) around context-dependent scenarios. It's not hard to extend existing IAB primitives to include things like context-enrichment (system prompt augmentation in this case) or whatever. I don't want to malign my downvoters but suspect they're mad I'm pointing it out, rather than engaging with facts as they are. It's trivial for ads to interact with your(our!) AI usage.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by yoyohello13 »

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #39
BoredPositron wrote: post #35

I don't get what's wrong with charging for your product. Like get rid of the free tier and make a small tier with an easy to serve model for like 5 bucks. Is it still the DAU rage of the 2010ss that's driving burning money?

How do you pick up new paying users without letting people use the service for free for a while first? Freemium is popular because it works well.

Free trial? Demo?

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by yoyohello13 »

Here we go again. Imagine if we put as much engineering effort toward actual things that help people, but more ads it is, as always. This is proof AGI doesn’t exist. If it did, it could come up with a better business model than more fucking ads.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by HWR_14 »

programjames wrote: post #133
programjames wrote: post #68

Less than two years ago, Sam Altman said > I kind of think of ads as a last resort for us for a business model. I would do it if it meant that was the only way to get everybody in the world access to great services, but if we can find something that doesn't do that, I'd prefer that. So, is this OpenAI announcing they're strapped for cash?

I think you're missing that Sam Altman is very smart . If OpenAI really were on the verge of becoming massively profitable due to their next-gen AI, he would not want that information leaking. If Sam Altman acts differently in the world where profits are on the horizon, that information leaks prematurely. Thus, he has to act as if OpenAI is strapped for cash, whether or not it is. The keyword is "glamorization": http…

I would just assume that they were still spending VC money to lock in users if nothing happened. I would not assume "AI is about to make money obsolete"

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by HWR_14 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #114
BoorishBears wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you need to inject ads at the model weights layer when you control the frontend? Have the model generate keywords from the query, then inject guidance from matching advertisers into the context window q: How do I make a new React app? a: Vercel makes it easier to get your project running fast ⓘ Some other choices would be: ... ⓘ This part of the response was sponsored by Vercel

> ⓘ This part of the response was sponsored by Vercel LLMs are essentially unregulated. I don't believe they have any legal disclosure obligation in America.

They may ignore the disclosure obligation, but technically they are supposed to disclose this fact.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by TZubiri »

saghm wrote: post #67
TZubiri wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking transparent ads is not a good idea. The consequence is that you will be fed opaque ads.

I don't buy this premise. Nothing stops a company from trying to hide ads in the first place, and plenty of them do. Ad blockers for web content have been a thing for years, and using an ad blocker has continued to be strictly a better experience regardless of how many "organic" ads are present on a page.

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Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by conductr »

hattmall wrote: post #110
mh- wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize we're talking about a product that is currently free, right? Neither of us have any insight into the margins of their paid offering. All this means is: we have a free offering that we can't figure out another way to monetize right now. We can each draw our own conclusions about what that might mean for the state of their business, but all of the other inferences (ha) in this thread are conjecture.

Presumably the way to monetize a free tier is by converting them into paying users.

“Upgrade for an Ad free experience” will certainly be a part of it.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by TZubiri »

estimator7292 wrote: post #78
TZubiri wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking transparent ads is not a good idea. The consequence is that you will be fed opaque ads.

What possible reason could they have to not always run both? It would make zero sense to leave that money on the table

It's simpler to do one thing than to do two. You make a choice and you do that.

Could they be doing opaque ads right now and we wouldn't know? It's possible, that will probably eventually come to light and it might have legal consequences, but sure it's possible.

But it's not a given, and your logic of "it would make zero sense to leave money on the table" is certainly not a QED, it's absolute reductionism.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by gbear605 »

hansvm wrote: post #14
gbear605 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure why a model needs to be hosted in order to make network calls?

Is there a library of good tools for LLMs to call? I have to imagine the bot-detection avoidance mechanisms are a major engineering effort and not likely to work out of the box with a simple harness and random local LLM.

If your volume is low enough, it should be pretty fine. It can just piggy back onto your personal browser cookies for Cloudflare.
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