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Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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post #92

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> This is great, your suggestion to replace s3 and ddb is to run some VMs? Well... yes? What do you think the AWS S3 and DDB is running on? Fairy dust?

No it’s using an army of extremely well paid engineers, something I guarantee the parent comment has no access to

It's probably 5 juniors fighting fires in reality and not giving a crap for your service. :P

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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post #37

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This is great, your suggestion to replace s3 and ddb is to run some VMs? I don’t blame people for being skeptical

Yea, op just handwaved away all scalability. Guessing their response would be 'launch more vms'.

VMs scale just fine.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Do people actually take claims like that from glorified salesmen seriously? If a car salesman told me I could save 50% of my fuel bill from driving their special car a certain way I'd laugh at them.

You are missing the timeline factor here. 2016 - lets use EC2, its just VM, we can move off 2018 - I see you are hosting your own PostgreSQL in EC2, you can use our managed solution 2020 - you are already using 18 our services (note, at this point you might still be using non-vendor products, like VMs, managed DB, and so on), why not use our IAM instead of rolling out your own auth. 2024 - you are now deeply locked,…

That. Also add the parts that engineers are terrified to their bones of moving elsewhere because they don't know how to use anything else and will act as extension of the salesman to make sure they don't need to learn anything.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

#145

Here’s the service: https://stackit.com/en

I'm sure the actual management interface is a separate thing but still, this website is unreal. Feels like a repurposed, half baked WordPress theme.

I mean, have you seen the AWS management interface? I struggle to imagine it being _worse_.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

#146
post #5

Years ago I was making the case that instead of digging ourselves into the Amazon eco-system with S3 storage, EC2 instances, DynamoDB and various other Amazon specific cloud products... we should just host virtual machines and have everything in there using open source products. People looked at me like they saw water burning but that would have made the dependency on the US a lot easier to sever. Just move the VM's.

Calculations from me and others have proven that cloud providers use 5-10x multipliers when selling you things. The less you use them, the better is your bottom line. At the beginning it maybe makes sense to use cloud credits to get you moving, but when credits expire or your organization grows, it is wise to invest in people that can setup things on their own. The biggest lie that cloud providers managed to sell to the world, that you don't need knowledgeable people to run things in cloud.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

#147
post #98

I just love that it’s Lidl, of all brands

European central bank will probably go for Aldi.

They're going with Scaleway, a French company. Seems like the owner is a billionaire with a few businesses, but neither La Redoute nor Intermarché!

https://www.scaleway.com/en/news/scaleway-accelerates-its-eu...

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

#148
post #68

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I am running my startup out of a self build GPU server from our office with a backup to the cloud. I only pay for the IP address as electricity is included in the rent. If the startup fails, Ill have thousand other potential use case for it and in the worst case, it will make for a awesome gaming machine. The machine is a beast and I can serve a lot of users with it. In fact, and quite funnily, I already serve much m…

How does your startup setup applies to a bank?

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Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

#149
Hurray ... except no, this is just about the only way it could go that is worse than American Tech empires.

All of the discussed alternatives (stackit, scaleway, aldi) are owned by European billionnaires.

Stackit is owned by Dieter Schwarz (who inherited everything he has ever owned)

Aldi cloud is owned by Beate Heister and Karl Albrecht (both children of the real founders, Karl and Theo Albrecht. Together they are probably the richest Germans)

Scaleway is owned by Xavier Niel (free.fr, who was born high middle class and at least can be said to have built out his empire)

The only owner here that is even remotely interested in the business is Xavier Niel. To add insult to injury, all 3 are known for being extremely cheap when it comes to wages (Xavier Niel less so than the others, but it's not great)

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

#150

> DNB Director Steven Maijoor announced last October that he intended to “set a good example” and switch to a European cloud, though he acknowledged that it “is not yet as robust or high-quality as the one from the U.S.” > Last year, the Dutch Central Bank (DNB) and the Netherlands Authority for the Financial Markets (AFM) warned that the Dutch financial sector had become too dependent on foreign IT service providers…

This isn't a bank in the normal sense, it's the central bank.
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