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Mistral built a $14B AI empire by not being American

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Re: Mistral built a $14B AI empire by not being American

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Post by mring33621 »

NekkoDroid wrote: post #138
mring33621 wrote: post #85

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Try Mistral-Nemo-2407-12B-Thinking-Claude-Gemini-GPT5.2-Uncensored-HERETIC_Q4_k_m.gguf. This 7.5GB model runs well in llama.cpp on my 2021 Macbook Pro and is good at both coding and business document analysis tasks.

> Try Mistral-Nemo-2407-12B-Thinking-Claude-Gemini-GPT5.2-Uncensored-HERETIC_Q4_k_m.gguf. Thiss sounds like such a shitpost I initially thought you were joking... but this seems to be a real model???

It is! I like to try the variations from possibly 'interesting' people.

Some of them are good. Others randomly break into gibberish and Chinese poetry(?).

Re: Mistral built a $14B AI empire by not being American

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Post by aurareturn »

nova22033 wrote: post #132
aurareturn wrote: post #5

In my opinion, being "Not American" or "Not Chinese" is not a good business model long-term. At some point, businesses will choose the option that provides the most value. I'm very skeptical that Mistral will survive long-term. Edit: I hear the commenters to this post. However, Mistral still relies on American chips. If there is truly a divorce between Europe and the US such that relying OpenAI or Anthropic is not an…

In my opinion, being "Not American" or "Not Chinese" is not a good business model long-term. Exactly.. What happens when the capability of American models far exceeds the capability of non-American models? Wouldn't companies using American models have a huge advantage?

Yep. This. That's why I don't think it's a viable business model.

Also, OpenAI and Anthropic will just open EU offices and subsidiaries.

Re: Mistral built a $14B AI empire by not being American

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

ta20240528 wrote: post #105
hsuduebc2 wrote: post #82

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This is changing somehow. At least on a surface. For example Amazon have created European subsidiary completely managed by Europeans under European company thus under it's local jurisdiction.

You are incorrect: 1. the 2018 CLOUD Act mandates US companies — and their subsidiaries — to provide information to the US government on demand, regardless of where the data is stored 2. FISA secret courts prevent companies from even saying they where summoned, or telling anyone who or what the case was about (including canaries). So you won't ever know if your data was handed over to the US government.

They should be legally and physically separated and these actions should be then potentially illegal for Europeans so I do not think I'm at least infactual.

But assuming the owner is US company abiding US laws it's safe to assume that data would be transferred to US one way or the another.

Re: Mistral built a $14B AI empire by not being American

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Post by qznc »

sylware wrote: post #122

Is it possible for the common people to access mistral? And that without being gated by a 'whatng cartel' web engine?

I use Le Chat free tier. Not as good as ChatGPT free tier but sufficient for 90% of my uses.

I tried Mistral Vibe (Claude Code equivalent) free tier for a week. I hit web_search limits but not limits for devstral-2. For a working mode where you watch it closely (same way I use Claude Code), it is fine.

Re: Mistral built a $14B AI empire by not being American

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

lenerdenator wrote: post #57
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #25

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For Mideastern countries, it is paying off. For European countries, remains to be seen

I can't think of a place on Earth less blessed by "not American" than the Middle East.

That all depends on your perspective

Re: Mistral built a $14B AI empire by not being American

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Post by badsectoracula »

tmikaeld wrote: post #139
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #84

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Mistral models are definitely good enough. Most people fall for what I call the SOTA Logical Fallacy : whenever there is a 'better model', they think they need to use it, when less-powerful models actually perform the same tasks just as well. (it's an inverse form of the Shifting Baseline Syndrome : every time a new model comes out, people shift their baseline of what is acceptable, despite the fact that a previous b…

My biggest issue with Devstral and even their biggest model is that they’re dangerous unless closely directed and reviewed and i mean CLOSELY. Unfortunately mistral models will believe and do anything. See: https://petergpt.github.io/bullshit-benchmark/viewer/index.v... See some of the test results, it’s horrifying

FWIW personally i prefer this. When i tried Qwen3.6 and asked it a few questions, while it did respond, it was ADAMANT i should do something else when i really wanted an answer to the question i made. It felt like when you search something and a stackoverflow answer about what you search for comes up and the most upvoted answer is about using/doing something else - when you want a specific answer to that specific question, not something else.

Meanwhile Devstral Small 2 just answers the damn question.

I don't want to have to convince my computer to do what i want it to do, i want from it to do what i ask it to.

Re: Mistral built a $14B AI empire by not being American

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Post by joe_mamba »

Arodex wrote: post #114
joe_mamba wrote: post #75

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If we keep moving the goalposts you can make any argument

What goalposts? Your sitting president, himself a conman is pardoning fraudsters left and right while he and his family enrich themselves with public money and extortion.

> Your sitting president, himself a conman

Joke's on you, I'm European not American, so "your president" in this case would be the unelected Ursula and she would technically be a con-woman, not a con-man.

Not sure what your argument was supposed to prove with this cheap jab though.

Re: Mistral built a $14B AI empire by not being American

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Post by joe_mamba »

selectodude wrote: post #124
Arodex wrote: post #110

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Thank you for your brilliant demonstration of survivorship bias. How many people were punished for Enron? For the subprime crisis? Etc. In the US, you just give a little money for the president's ballroom and you are pardoned. Or you settle out of court because your justice system is crap.

The CEO of Enron was convicted and died two months before sentencing and the COO got 12 years. Interestingly the chief accountant of Enron ended up getting a job in Europe after he got out of prison.

>Interestingly the chief accountant of Enron ended up getting a job in Europe after he got out of prison.

But, but ..Europeans here said they don't tolerate crooks.

Re: Mistral built a $14B AI empire by not being American

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Post by joe_mamba »

Ylpertnodi wrote: post #129
Arodex wrote: post #114

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What goalposts? Your sitting president, himself a conman is pardoning fraudsters left and right while he and his family enrich themselves with public money and extortion.

Shhhh, don't tell them, it'll be funnier at the end.

What's "the end"?
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