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SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding capabilities

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Re: SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding capabilities

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A better benchmark needs to be objectively scored, have multi-disciplinary, breadth, and be scalable (no single correct answer). That's what we designed at https://gertlabs.com . We put a lot of thought into it, and kept it mostly (not fully) related to problem solving through coding.

Your benchmark suggests Deepseek V4 pro performs worse than Deepseek V4 flash? That is in an interesting result. Any comments on that outcome?

Re: SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding capabilities

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Its pretty clear that any benchmark that comes out will be outdated and exist within the training data with short measure. There will always be an incentive to optimize specifically for these benchmarks even if just for marketing material. Sure there is a training cutoff, but its usually only 3-6 months off of the public release dates. The problem with coding benchmarks then becomes creating novel benchmarks that are…

In contrary: In an Interview someone from OpenAI said they are trying to avoid it because it makes it harder for them to determine if a model gets better or not.

Perturbation of dataset used for training can introduce adversarial behavior even without adding any other data, and idea is quite simple: you take two batches from the dataset for training and select model with more probable adversarial behavior. The more batches with posterior selection get processed, the more probable adversarial behavior become.

By determining if model gets better or not on a given benchmark, OpenAI selects models against benchmarks, implicitly using them in the training.

Re: SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding capabilities

#143

A better benchmark needs to be objectively scored, have multi-disciplinary, breadth, and be scalable (no single correct answer). That's what we designed at https://gertlabs.com . We put a lot of thought into it, and kept it mostly (not fully) related to problem solving through coding.

Your benchmark suggests Deepseek V4 pro performs worse than Deepseek V4 flash? That is in an interesting result. Any comments on that outcome?

It's a surprising result, and a lot of it stems from the Pro variant struggling with our custom harness in agentic tasks (whereas Flash does fine), as well as provider instability. Failed requests are not counted against the model in its score, but it's possible there are additional silent degradations even on successful requests.

Either that, or Flash is truly a better architecture and the Pro variant is heavily benchmaxxed. It wouldn't be the first time we saw something like that in our benchmarking. We collect samples every week so it'll be interesting to see if it rebalances over time as new providers host the model. Flash is great though; it's so fast and cheap.

Re: SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding capabilities

#144

So Opus 4.7 and Mythos are solving problems that are impossible to solve?

To some extent yes.

It is not impossible to solve in absolute terms, in the sense, all necessary pieces of information are presented in the repo + problem statement.

But it is impossible to solve in the sense, unless you read the ground truth, you are NOT able to solve it the way the test patch demands.

Simply not plausible to me that model can read the problem statement so precisely that it nails exactly, like 100% what the test suite is trying to test.

Re: SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding capabilities

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post #50

It was never that great, it seems. For all of 2025 there was virtually no improvement in the rate at which models produced quality code. They only got better at passing automated tests. https://entropicthoughts.com/no-swe-bench-improvement

maybe this is why these companies pricing plans are getting more limited and expensive..

Re: SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding capabilities

#146

I'm a co-creator of SWE-bench: 1. SWE-bench Verified is now saturated at 93.9% (congrats Anthropic), but anyone who hasn't reached that number yet still has more room for growth. 2. SWE-bench Multilingual and SWE-bench Multimodal (which we'll open source in the next month) are still unsatured. 3. All benchmarks and benchmark paradigms eventually become saturated. That's why the SWE-bench team has worked hard on build…

Also, in meantime, there's https://SWE-rebench.com as a nice riff on SWE-bench, as far as I understand.

Re: SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding capabilities

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 93.6% (congrats Anthropic) But the article says "We audited a 27.6% subset of the dataset that models often failed to solve [which is 19.1% of the problems at time of publication] and found that at least 59.4% of the audited problems have flawed test cases that reject functionally correct submission" 0.191 * 0.594 > 1 - 0.936 Does this mean that the audited subset wasn't representative? Or that Anthropic is getting…

I suggest reading the Mythos report's discussion on SWE-bench and contamination. I think it's fairly convincing that you can account for contamination and still trust SWE-bench numbers on models that aren't over-optimized for it.

i disagree: https://www.philosophicalhacker.com/post/anthropic-error/

Re: SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding capabilities

#148

I'm a co-creator of SWE-bench: 1. SWE-bench Verified is now saturated at 93.9% (congrats Anthropic), but anyone who hasn't reached that number yet still has more room for growth. 2. SWE-bench Multilingual and SWE-bench Multimodal (which we'll open source in the next month) are still unsatured. 3. All benchmarks and benchmark paradigms eventually become saturated. That's why the SWE-bench team has worked hard on build…

how hard is it create one of these for my company that models most of the work we do at my company.

Just point an agent at your llm logs and ask it to generate a dataset of questions and answers from the problems you solved already.

Re: SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding capabilities

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to ignore all that and tell my developers working in complicated codebases that they have to use AI. I'm sure comprehending side effects in a world building text adventure is completely different that understanding spaghetti code

Desarcasmed version: "I think that problems with Zork make those models virtually useless in programming tasks." Correct?

He said complicated code bases. LLMs are great at producing small snippets of code to address very targeted problems.

Re: SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding capabilities

#150
I wrote about this recently here: https://fabraix.com/blog/adversarial-cost-to-exploit

I think the core issue is in static benchmarks and the community needs to start moving beyond measuring pass/fail (which worked when agents were incapable of doing much of the work) to dynamic evals that simulate more how we evaluate humans.

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