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Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by swed420 »

Latty wrote: post #130
jeroenhd wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People online rant about Firefox all the time for adding stuff Google and Microsoft shoved into their Chromium forks a few years ago, but when they do it the response is always "well what did you expect from " while when Mozilla does it, the response is "this is an outrage, I'm switching to ". I don't think there is or ever will be a "new internet explorer". If your page works in Chrome, there's a 99% chance it'll wo…

And people treat Mozilla like the devil when while they make mistakes, they routinely fix them too. E.g: when people had concerns about the AI stuff, they added a general opt out with a feature-by-feature opt-in. To make an obviously unproven and not universal observation: I feel like it's people who just like the google integration in Chrome and want an excuse to run it, even though they feel like they should use Fi…

> I feel like it's people who just like the google integration in Chrome and want an excuse to run it, even though they feel like they should use Firefox because it's more compatible with their world view

What world view is this? Considering that Mozilla is a puppet Google basically owns if you look at where the funding comes from.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by wallst07 »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #97
Steve6 wrote: post #9

I migrated from Firefox to Brave years ago, and it's been incredible. It's easy to turn off the crypto stuff and turn on more advanced privacy protection. Then it's just a fast browser with awesome adblocking. My favorite recent feature has been Brave Scriptlets, which are just little javascript functions you can run on specific sites. I've replaced most of the add ons I used with small scripts. Pretty nice. I would…

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> so you're already half a fascist for using Brave,

Are you really calling the 100M monthly brave users half fascist? Can you explain more how you reach this conclusion, specifically relative to every other product you judge people for using?

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by swed420 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #109
lxgr wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This will ensure certain types of add-ons, like ad-blockers, continue to work best in Firefox. Oof, so even people that should really know better are now equating MV3 with "no more ad blocking"? I think at this point the entire thing just needs to be renamed. (Only Chrome removed the request blocking API from their MV3 implementation; Firefox did not.)

The people who know better should also know that tech social media was flooded with people not knowing what they were talking about mentioning manifest versions. It wouldn't be the first time tech gossip rags would take something Mozilla did out of proportion to make outrage videos about that become a hit on Reddit. When Mozilla added some weird AI thing (I think it was page summaries?) I was asked by people whose al…

> It wouldn't be the first time tech gossip rags would take something Mozilla did out of proportion to make outrage videos about that become a hit on Reddit.

Sounds like the issue here is paid social media platforms, where everybody is looking for ways to differentiate their slop from the rest. It would be weird to expect a different outcome.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by silver_silver »

wallst07 wrote: post #140
nananana9 wrote: post #91

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"The first thing you have to do is to turn off the cryptocurrency stuff." Fantastic first impression. I'm good, thanks.

There is a single toggle to turn this off, if it makes people rage so much for something you get for free (I realize not free beer/freedom) then I don't know what else to say. To be clear, the toggle is to turn off the 'wallet' feature that isn't even enabled until you use it. So you are just disabling seeing the thing at all... with a simple toggle.

You are missing the forest for the trees my friend

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by nananana9 »

wallst07 wrote: post #140
nananana9 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The first thing you have to do is to turn off the cryptocurrency stuff." Fantastic first impression. I'm good, thanks.

There is a single toggle to turn this off, if it makes people rage so much for something you get for free (I realize not free beer/freedom) then I don't know what else to say. To be clear, the toggle is to turn off the 'wallet' feature that isn't even enabled until you use it. So you are just disabling seeing the thing at all... with a simple toggle.

I also have to disable the "acceptable ads", with a simple toggle.

And the AI bullshit from their builtin search engine, I'd guess that too is a simple toggle.

Without googling, I'd put good money that there's a thing called "Brave VPN" in the homepage by default, and I have to disable that with a simple toggle.

In two years I may have to disable the crypto-miner, still with a simple toggle, of course, very user convenient.

This is the entire industry in a nutshell. Everyone, from every direction, at all times, is trying to squeeze you for a few cents with antagonistic "features" enabled by default. I have very little patience for this.

"But it's a simple click." Have some self respect, we can do better than this.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by jasonvorhe »

wallst07 wrote: post #142
jasonvorhe wrote: post #97

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> so you're already half a fascist for using Brave, Are you really calling the 100M monthly brave users half fascist? Can you explain more how you reach this conclusion, specifically relative to every other product you judge people for using?

Read my comment again and you'll have your answer.

Come on.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by [deleted] »

wallst07 wrote: post #142
jasonvorhe wrote: post #97

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> so you're already half a fascist for using Brave, Are you really calling the 100M monthly brave users half fascist? Can you explain more how you reach this conclusion, specifically relative to every other product you judge people for using?

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Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by msla »

lxgr wrote: post #94
evilpie wrote: post #79

> The Firefox team is experimenting with ways to improve the built-in Enhanced Tracking Protection feature in Firefox. This is one of the libraries we're going to experiment with. > - We are not, and have no plans to abandon MV2 extensions. This will ensure certain types of add-ons, like ad-blockers, continue to work best in Firefox. > - Firefox supports several ad-blockers as add-ons on Desktop and Android, includin…

> This will ensure certain types of add-ons, like ad-blockers, continue to work best in Firefox. Oof, so even people that should really know better are now equating MV3 with "no more ad blocking"? I think at this point the entire thing just needs to be renamed. (Only Chrome removed the request blocking API from their MV3 implementation; Firefox did not.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#Manifest_V3_2

> However, DeclarativeWebRequest is limited in the number of rules that may be set, and the types of expressions that may be used.[336] Additionally, the prohibition of remotely-hosted code will restrict the ability for filter lists to be updated independently of the extension itself. As the Chrome Web Store review process has an invariable length, filter lists may not be updated in a timely fashion.[337][338]

Is that not true?

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by DangitBobby »

lxgr wrote: post #94
evilpie wrote: post #79

> The Firefox team is experimenting with ways to improve the built-in Enhanced Tracking Protection feature in Firefox. This is one of the libraries we're going to experiment with. > - We are not, and have no plans to abandon MV2 extensions. This will ensure certain types of add-ons, like ad-blockers, continue to work best in Firefox. > - Firefox supports several ad-blockers as add-ons on Desktop and Android, includin…

> This will ensure certain types of add-ons, like ad-blockers, continue to work best in Firefox. Oof, so even people that should really know better are now equating MV3 with "no more ad blocking"? I think at this point the entire thing just needs to be renamed. (Only Chrome removed the request blocking API from their MV3 implementation; Firefox did not.)

We shouldn't equate it with "no more ad blocking" because it didn't ship with an attempt to make ad blockers less effective or because that's not all it shipped with?
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