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South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by latexr »

filleduchaos wrote: post #134
cozzyd wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes but could your $RELATIVE set up a hello world web server without AI?

Why does it HAVE to be my relative when the actual question is whether hello world web servers exist ? I don't know why people are so determined to miss the point that "people can do [image manipulation] faster with AI" does not magically mean that people weren't doing it before AI, at scale mind you. Did y'all really unironically believe EVERY single image you saw on the internet prior to the past few years was enti…

> Why does it HAVE to be my relative when the actual question is whether hello world web servers exist?

No, that is not the question. I mean, maybe it’s the question you are asking, but no one else is.

> I don't know why people are so determined to miss the point that "people can do [image manipulation] faster with AI" does not magically mean that people weren't doing it before AI, at scale mind you.

That is not the point. The argument is simple: easier and cheaper access to a tool makes more people use the tool more often. Manual image editing is harder and takes longer than typing words into a box, thus more people do it more often and with fewer thought.

If you have the idea to manually edit a wolf into a street, you’ll first have to go to your computer or tablet, have a bunch of skills, and spend time doing it. You have plenty of opportunity to say “fuck it, I’ll do something else”. Most people drop at that point because they can’t be bothered.

With generative AI, you can be so drunk you can barely stand, sitting on a portable toilet at a concert, haphazardly type a few words and get the result, immediately and for free.

Do you not see the difference between those two?

We can go further back: You could do image manipulation on film, before digital was a thing. But few people knew how or had access to the necessary chemicals and dark room. Do you not think the ease of access and digital tools increased the amount of people doing it?

> Did y'all really unironically believe EVERY single image you saw on the internet prior to the past few years was entirely real and entirely what it was presented as?

No, no one believed that and no one is making that argument and I think you know that.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by zugi »

GuB-42 wrote: post #86
hansmayer wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fable was always relevant, afaic it is still a part of the curriculums. It's also a nice illustration of how LLMs screw up everything they touch - and please don't serve me the old "guns don't kill people - people kill people" argument over this.

Guns primary purpose is to kill. The primary purpose of genAI (image generation goes beyond the scope of LLMs) is not to mislead, they are used successfully by millions of people for purposes that are in no way nefarious. It includes valuable contributions to fields like medicine. Like most important advances like plastics, nuclear power, diesel engines, synthetic fertilizers, computers and the internet, good and bad…

Since you opted to engage in this off-topic discussion, I'll just point out that the overwhelmingly vast majority of the one billion or so guns currently on the planet have never been used to kill anyone. It's statistically far more accurate to say their primary purpose is to defend, with killing much further down on the list.

> Guns primary purpose is to kill

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by abletonlive »

shlant wrote: post #100
lukan wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not really. There was a real wolf and the person dusturbed the operation. "South Korean police have arrested a man for sharing an AI-generated image that misled authorities who were searching for a wolf that had broken out of a zoo in Daejeon city. The 40-year-old unnamed man is accused of disrupting the search by creating and distributing a fake photo purporting to show Neukgu, the wolf, trotting down a road int…

what an incredibly dumb thread this is. OP pointed out something amusing and it's being ruined by completely useless pedantry

I think people are just traumatized the content they've consumed from reddit so anything that reminds them of it, such as OP, triggers something in them because HN is starting to feel the same.

Don't even link me to the comment about how this has always been a complaint on HN, it's boring and it isn't the "gotcha" that you think it is.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by Joker_vD »

hbarka wrote: post #137

The BBC could have done a better job here with the headline. How about, “South Korea police arrest man who pulled a prank costing extensive resources”. The device of the prank is irrelevant really it’s the consequence. Involuntary manslaughter works the same way.

Last time I checked, "costing extensive resources" was not a crime. And even if it were, you'd still ideally need mens rea.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by red-iron-pine »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #136
_fw wrote: post #10

Are you trying to tell me, in this the year of our lord 2026, somebody has been (rightfully or wrongfully) arrested for literally ‘crying wolf’? There’s something hilariously poetic about a ~2,500 year old fable being relevant today, because of AI.

"The boy who generated wolf"

the 40-year-old unnamed man who generated wolf

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by computerfriend »

stronglikedan wrote: post #133
lukan wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intent or not, it did disturb as it misslead. And .. how can one imagine not disturb a search, when posting a wrong location?

Intent or not, disturbing the search or not, it's silly that the authorities would arrest a civilian because of their own incompetence.

Civilians get arrested for incompetence all the time.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by fc417fc802 »

croes wrote: post #90
fc417fc802 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you stipulate that everyone must be relaxing at the time, sure. But the core concept of crying wolf is IMO simply a false alert with no particular constraints placed on those responding. I think in this case it simultaneously qualifies as crying wolf as well as misdirection.

But this isn't a false alert. The alert is real, people just got misdirected.

Well it's definitely a false alert but I think maybe I see what's bugging you. If an enemy agent intentionally did that with the goal of disrupting operations we'd call it misdirection and it seems a bit silly in that scenario to also categorize it as crying wolf. Since there's an ongoing search that the guy was aware of you view this the same way.

But have you considered that the criteria arose organically as opposed to being engineered top down to account for edge cases such as this? I think in practice the term can probably apply to any instance where you might consider the longer term reputation of an individual or group that is separate from the response team.

Basically you've decided the two things must be mutually exclusive but haven't provided any reasoning or precedent for that constraint.

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by estebank »

Joker_vD wrote: post #145
hbarka wrote: post #137

The BBC could have done a better job here with the headline. How about, “South Korea police arrest man who pulled a prank costing extensive resources”. The device of the prank is irrelevant really it’s the consequence. Involuntary manslaughter works the same way.

Last time I checked, "costing extensive resources" was not a crime. And even if it were, you'd still ideally need mens rea .

When was the last time you checked South Korean law?

Re: South Korea police arrest man for posting AI photo of runaway wolf

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

kqp wrote: post #30

It sounds like he didn’t actually file a false police report. They don’t even say they asked him whether it’s true. It seems the police just read a post by a random person on the internet, assumed it’s true, then arrested him when it wasn’t. The article is devastatingly light on info, though, so I can’t be sure.

I can't decide how I feel about this.

The thing is, there's basically no reason to create this photo other than to mislead the authorities. It's purposefully blurry and not aesthetically pleasing. I cannot come up with any plausible artistic intent.

This could have happened without AI. Imagine if the police were trying to catch a serial killer, and I posted on Twitter that I saw him in a small town in Idaho or wherever, not because I had any real information but because I thought it would be amusing to create chaos. Maybe I'd create a bunch of sock puppet accounts with correlated sightings. At no point would I explicitly make a false police report, but the fake posts would get noticed all the same.

Is this illegal? I have no idea, I'm not a lawyer—but it feels like the sort of thing you'd want to have laws against. I'm not sure whether you'd run into first amendment issues in the United States.

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