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From the beginning, the founders of the Zionist movement were completely on board with the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinians from their lands to establish the Israeli state.
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What part? eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ott... ?
They were second class citizens with limited rights (quite a bit like the people in the occupied West Bank for that matter..)
some would say that they were kicked out of their homeland so it wasn't really a choice but there's actually no evidence that this ever happened. for one thing, jews have always lived in judea and there's no record of them being expelled from anywhere there except the city of jerusalem in the 2nd century by the romans after they tried another revolt. there was a huge jewish diaspora before that revolt and even before the 1st century revolt. the jewish diaspora was likely primarily a result of economic migration and subsequent success of jewish communities in certain economic roles as a diasporic community spanning many different lands.
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> Israel does not have the right to exist as a state in chronic violation of international law Cool, now enforce it. Oh? You can't? "International law" is just a bunch of words some people wrote down? Okay, thanks for letting me know.
These laws are worthless for as long there is nobody willing and able to enforce them.
Like this, it is a fantasy. I could write international law.
For those unfamiliar with the "Dahiya Doctrine"[0] this is exactly that: [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine
> The logic is to cause difficulties for the civilian population so much that they will then turn against the militants The beatings will continue until morale improves!
For those unfamiliar with the "Dahiya Doctrine"[0] this is exactly that: [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine
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When an “Islamic country” starts getting several billions of dollars in aid from the US and begins “quadruple tapping” civilians, then I suppose there will be some outrage. In the meantime, this outrage appears to be more based in the criminal conduct of a genocidal state than any religious amenity
How do you think Islam spread? Peacefully? Look at history. And look at Islamic texts that preach the subjugation and killing of anyone who isn’t Islamic. It’s much more of a supremacist culture than any other.
How long will the world continue to tolerate Israel's egregious war crimes?
What is Israel's reason for all this? Can someone explain their side of the argument, as it is?
Bibi's reasons are not the same of the ultra ortodox, neither the same of the ultra zionists, neither the same of regular joes.
(Bibi wants to avoid going to trial, the orthodox believe god promised them "all of israel" (which includes some Lebanon, Syria, Jordan), the zionists are your run of the mill nazis (racists), while most of the people want "peace" whatever the price.
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as long as people keep voting for politicians that are complicit with pro zionist policies
Part of the problem is the conflation of Zionism with genocidal government. There is no room for nuiance. A Zionist can want Israelites to live in peace where they currently are and not harm others, and certainly not commit horrible atrocities against other people. Yet, even this kind of Zionist is under their own genocidal threat, "from the river to the sea", and instead of their being a sensible perspective of "may…
This blame falls squarely on Israelis and Jewish people as a whole for conflating Zionism, Israel and Jewishness as a single thing, and branding anyone who dared to be critical of Zionism as antisemitic. Now they try to distance themselves and rightly so, but it is their fault that the victim agenda backfired terribly.
I have expressed my solidarity to non-Zionist Jewish people in a previous comment, but still all I hear is victimization at how the world at large treats them rather than real anger and disgust at what the State of Israel is doing in their name. Where are the angry non-Zionist protests? Where are the people renouncing their dual citizenships? The reaction is still very subdued for a genocide in massive scale, and at times it is hard for us gentiles to feel sorry for their apathy.
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You're using the term "terrorist" to describe people indigenous to the land that Israel stole. If you use logic, that makes Israel that terrorist group since they used violence to kick Palestinians out of their land and homes, not the other way around. Lookup the Jewish terrorist groups Irgu, Lehi, and Haganah. Lookup the assassination of Lord Moyne by Lehi and the 1946 Irgun bombing of the King David Hotel. The lead…
Hezbollah isn't in Israel, so any argument about what happened in Israel is irrelevant. And by far the primary cause of Palestinians leaving was Arab countries telling them to get out of the way of the coming invasion. And, well, when you refuse to agree to lay down arms is it really surprising you're not allowed back in? King David Hotel? You mean British military HQ? Who received and ignored the warning about the b…