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Re: Cloudflare Email Service

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The reason AWS does that is because there is a lot of base level work to verify you as "not a spammer" and to keep verifying you. So this is their way of making sure you pay the base cost. They could price per use, but it would have to start with a base fee that is about the same at 10,000 emails.

The base fee doesn't need to be monthly, they can take $50 dollars as a one time registration verification fee. That should be enough to cover their compute costs for the year, specially when you pool in that from multiple customers. Who is spamming with 100 monthly emails? How much compute do they need to verify you aren't spamming. They can bake all of that into the pay per use price, they choose not to and I'm gla…

Maintaining the reputation of an IP address is the issue here. If one bad actor sends just a few emails that get marked as spam, the entire IP gets marked as bad. That's basically what you're paying for.

Also, the person who just wants to send a few 100 emails a month is actually far more likely to be a spammer. So it's also a way for them to eliminate those folks.

And lastly, the support burden can be high.

AWS has basically said they only want serious customers, let the other guys worry about the small senders.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service

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Cloudflare is spending years of goodwill earned through technical skill, trending towards AI enshittification starting with their blog posts and vibe coded features/products.

Unfortunate situation. Also, what is cloudflare exactly? They seemed to have diversified a tad much.

Cloudflare is, believe it or not, the owner of several IP blocked by Telefonica in Spain durong football matches. Soon to be tennis, basket, too.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service

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Resend will change the pricing - guaranteed. Not sure how soon but I'd expect very soon.

I guess if they're big enough they should be working on moving off of amazon SES for emails and warming up ip addresses? Otherwise they need to keep a markup on top of amazon. Edit: didn't realize people were paying resend $20. AWS already exists at a low price and people pick them anyway, i'm sure they're fine.

And if you want a SaaS like experience for your own AWS, there is wraps.dev ;d

Re: Cloudflare Email Service

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Excuse me, what are you referring to?

There have been stories about people with heavy internet traffic (generally media streaming I think) being more or less shut down unless they upgrade their cloudflare plan (to enterprise I guess). Some were posted on HN in the past.

And a gambling site

Re: Cloudflare Email Service

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> But getting back to the consensus in the comments here: I'm not sure why people think that they'll be worse about policing spam than AWS SES, Azure Email, etc. Cloudflare is (in)famous for not acting against spammers, fraud, piracy and other less savory groups that are hosting their stuff at/behind Cloudflare, so reasonably, people who've been affected by that are now afraid the same thing will happen with email.

Blog author chiming in here: We have reserved IPs for Email Service and will be protecting the reputation and fighting spam from originating on Email Service. If we did not do so, our IPs would get flagged and then emails end up in spam or not delivered. That defeats the purpose of having a transactional Email Service. We're well aware of this.

> We're well aware of this.

Then how about not market it as "for agents" when said agents are just LLM output?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service

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Pricing: $0.35 per 1,000 emails Here are the limits: "Your account may have daily sending limits based on Cloudflare's assessment of your account standing. " Source: https://developers.cloudflare.com/email-service/platform/pri... https://developers.cloudflare.com/email-service/platform/lim...

Pretty good pricing.

Currently using ZeptoMail ($2.5 per 10,000 emails) but if this service by Cloudflare proves reliable once it reaches GA I'd be happy to switch.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service

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It's funny. All the examples they show in the blogpost are just things that were already pretty easy without agents. Sending an email when the CI pipeline passes, when a support request is incoming, when an order is shipped. I think we haven't found a problem for this solution.

The problem is how bullshit transactional emails are when you're outside of AWS. If you're not expecting to use 10,000 emails a month but would like the option to go over the free tier without committing to 10,000 more. Just let me pay per use FFS.

Scaleway TEM offer pay per use. I moved off of resend when my side project went beyond their free tier and now pay <0.5€ a month

Re: Cloudflare Email Service

#148
I've been very happy with agentmail.to for a while with great success. You get 3K free emails per month with 3 inboxes. Paid tier starts at $0.20 per 1000 emails.

Disclaimer: I don't work for agentmail.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service

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Ok I just tried the service since I want to migrate from Resend. Seems like you can only send email via the worker or REST API for now? Can I send via SMTP? I'm using Supabase and it needs the SMTP credentials. I can't find anything on the dashboard or on the docs, even though last year they said it supports SMTP [0] [0] https://blog.cloudflare.com/email-service/

Not to oversimplify the issue... but you could probably run a small VPS and SMTP relay service that requires tls+auth and just relays all email from your domain through to API calls. You could probably get something operational in a couple hours with Claude Code. My first thought in reading this would be using this service and the default mail app's structure to back end typical email protocols so you can still use a…

Oh yeah for sure. At that point, using SES is probably a better option compared to running a VPS just for SMTP. I posted that to let them know that SMTP support is a requirement for some developers.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service

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post #82

Ok I just tried the service since I want to migrate from Resend. Seems like you can only send email via the worker or REST API for now? Can I send via SMTP? I'm using Supabase and it needs the SMTP credentials. I can't find anything on the dashboard or on the docs, even though last year they said it supports SMTP [0] [0] https://blog.cloudflare.com/email-service/

Yeah one of their devs (https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=thomgo) said SMTP will be available, but I cannot find any info on this either. I'm glad to be switching from the horror that is Sendgrid, though. I migrated a few projects that have basic contact forms and it's been super easy so far.
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