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Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

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Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

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Post by chaostheory »

phist_mcgee wrote: post #108
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #73

Beads is cool, but I tried to use it, and the backend didn't really make sense. I have to run an sql database in the background? How does it sync with Git? (I didn't see any files/objects committed to the repo) Plus, Dolt ended up using a constant 3-30kB/s of i/o in the background, while nothing was actually going on. That and Beads has a lot of features I'm not gonna use. All of this was just too complicated for my…

Agreed that beads seems way over engineered for an issue tracker.

It was ok until he bolted on Dolt

Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

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Post by cdata »

avaer wrote: post #16
bayarearefugee wrote: post #10

> But no need to wait. At a high level, Gas City is the answer to all your problems. Ha! At least, for certain classes of problem, such as, “How can I bring AI into my company and pass an audit trail,” The important audit at my company is conducted by the FDA. I have a feeling when they ask what processes we followed to mitigate any user harm that could be caused by software changes that "I told an AI-mayor in the fo…

Keep in mind investing in cartoon foxes was a "business strategy" a lot of (otherwise serious) people bought into in 2020-2021. And those cartoon foxes didn't even do anything! I guess these ones do? Don't put it past the masses. These are crazy times.

The influence of cartoon foxes on business strategies in tech has a long history and cannot be overstated.

https://poignant.guide/book/chapter-3.html

Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

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Post by 2001zhaozhao »

phpnode wrote: post #87

I'm pretty excited about agentic coding myself, but this does appear to be an extended ai-psychosis (i'm not super comfortable with this phrase, but it is becoming pretty recognisable). I think he's boxed himself in by continually layering more complexity on his approach, rather than stepping back and questioning the fundamentals or the overall direction. All of the steps Gas Town or Gas City etc are taking are towar…

> All of the steps Gas Town or Gas City etc are taking are towards reducing human oversight and control. This is profoundly misguided!

I mostly agree with you other than this one sentence.

Let's say you're building the literal antithesis of Gastown: an AI agent software specifically designed to be human reviewed and monitored. How to you make this as efficient as possible? Well, it's by ensuring high quality results from human oversight and control while spending the least amount of time. Which to be precise, is still reducing human oversight and control per unit of useful work done.

Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

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Post by slopinthebag »

pitched wrote: post #136
slopinthebag wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wym? I can slop out 100 libraries/frameworks/packages/cli's a day, the onus is not on other people to prove that they are useful.

You’re very good at this! I have trouble slopping out more than a day or two! Treat this like art. There are some neat ideas, maybe not executed particularly well. Somewhere around 7/10 IMDB score. The working implementation makes the blog post more impactful more than the other way around.

If it was art, I would find it really quite neat. However it doesn't seem intended as such:

> Gas Town “just works.” It does its job, it has tons of integration points, and it has been stable for many weeks. People are using it to build real stuff.

Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

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Post by troupo »

enraged_camel wrote: post #85
troupo wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. He used to be good with ideas. Now he's drinking too much of his own poison. His blog posts are bloviated monstrosities incapable of coherently describing the very trivial ideas contained in them.

I don't know, I understood it just fine? Might be a personal problem on your part.

Please point me to any place in my text where I said I didn't understand his very trivial ideas?

Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

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Post by rcarmo »

I cannot really get behind Gas Town or any other “agent swarm” setup. They always seem to waste an incredible amount of tokens on passing the buck around as half-finished specs, and even with a healthy amount of tokens pre-allocated they burn money faster than setting my wallet on fire…

Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

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Post by sph »

avaer wrote: post #2

TBH this post still reads like a clown show.

Someone said to treat it like a piece of performance art and that’s the funniest thing I have ever heard.

For one it’s a great way to dismiss any sort of criticism, and makes the positive comments claiming to gave built great stuff with it even funnier.

Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

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Post by sph »

_doctor_love wrote: post #94

I'm a long-time Steve Yegge fan but a major Gas Town hater (now Gas City too, I guess). It's doubling down on all the wrong metaphors. I also simply detest how Gas Town is modeled fundamentally on an extractive and destructive metaphor, the 19th century factory. I want to live in a verdant software garden, not a dystopian industrialist hellscape. In my view the StrongDM guys are on the right long-term path.

Steve Yegge, quite simply, has jumped the shark. He’s gone meta. The line between genius and utter lunacy is very thin.

Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

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Post by ithkuil »

root_axis wrote: post #35
rbtprograms wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can always fire it up yourself and see what its all about. in my experience it generates a lot of code very quickly, that code is probably only ever supposed to be LLM maintained, not by people.

> you can always fire it up yourself and see what its all about I imagine it doesn't run very cheaply.

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