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Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI

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Post by anarazel »

esafak wrote: post #54
jeltz wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every great journey must have an end. As far as I understand Cirrus CI was struggling due to Github Actions eating their market. Cirrus CI was in my opinion much better than Github Actions but it is hard to compete with a bundled solution.

What was good about it? It looks pretty ordinary to me: https://cirrus-ci.org/features/

Ability to trivially use custom VM images was quite nice. The amount of CI time spent installing dependencies or copying a cache of installed stuff is nontrivial. Particularly for Windows the time difference is often very substantial. But even for plain Linux, there's no point in apt-get update && apt-get install the same set of things in every run (when using containers, cirrus could build them in-demand too, with little notational overhead).

Defaulting to throw-away-VMs for everything is also the right choice for something where the threat model includes attackers submitting patches/PRs. I'll never understand why folks were ok with just container separation for that (and often have no separation in runners).

Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI

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Post by dangus »

bartekpacia wrote: post #29
dangus wrote: post #25

I just love how companies like this gaslight the whole world with announcements like this. We started a company to make a big difference in the world and build an engineer’s dream company, and that’s why we have now decided to do the exact opposite and become employee numbers 32,463 through 32,510 at one of the largest tech companies in the world because money is nice. Look, I’d have done the same thing, I’m not crit…

More like employees number 32,463 and 32,464 - they’re two people from what I seen on GitHub over the years. (Incredibly strong two people)

So they have even less of a reason to put out BS like this. They have no employees they need to talk to.

Could have been a private email to customers.

Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI

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Post by dangus »

xp84 wrote: post #128
dangus wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is telling it like it is not the rational default? If this is a forgettable press release isn't it lower effort than coming up with this type of nonsense?

Maybe it’s just my age or how my brain works, but positivity with a touch of BS is just business-speak. My company sold itself to a crappy company who fired most of us, but my departure message for my colleagues was full of “I’ve enjoyed this journey, it’s been a privilege, blah blah” and not “I’ve actually been counting down the days to be done with this nonsense since even before the acquisition.” You say this stuf…

I would actually love to work for someone with that much honesty.

I will just go ahead and rewrite the post because it seems like my message isn’t landing. Maybe seeing what it could have looked like would be helpful:

Cirrus has been acquired by OpenAI with the goal of integrating our technology into their products. We will continue to serve existing customers until the expiration of their contracts, at which point Cirrus will cease operations as a separate entity. We are open sourcing our current products and hope they prove to be useful. Thank you to our customers and employees.

Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI

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Post by jen20 »

MaxLeiter wrote: post #106
zackify wrote: post #88

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interesting that was what i thought this was, it keeps boggling my mind the sums being paid for what really could be built by experienced devs on their own teams

Short term: they don’t need devs to build it, it’s already built Long term: they now have experienced dev(s?) to build their next products and features

I agree that is the reality of why this has happened, but it is completely at odds with the story that that AI maximalists are telling the world, which is that software development is over because LLMs can do anything with a couple of specs and a Ralph Wiggum loop.

Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI

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Post by MaxLeiter »

jen20 wrote: post #145
MaxLeiter wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Short term: they don’t need devs to build it, it’s already built Long term: they now have experienced dev(s?) to build their next products and features

I agree that is the reality of why this has happened, but it is completely at odds with the story that that AI maximalists are telling the world, which is that software development is over because LLMs can do anything with a couple of specs and a Ralph Wiggum loop.

Eh, we’re approaching that world (I am "an AI maximalist", I guess)

But someone with the knowledge to guide an AI will have more success than someone without, at least today. I don’t think that will necessarily be true in a year or two.

Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI

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Post by DANmode »

drzaiusx11 wrote: post #108
drzaiusx11 wrote: post #99

As a tart cli user, I'd love to know more about their "more open" licensing of that particular project that they call out that will follow the merger. That said, I find their aqui-hire by OpenAI disappointing for a number of (mostly personal) reasons. However, I wish them the best regardless.

Genuinely curious on why I'm getting down voted for the above comment

Didn’t downvote, but I’m assuming dogging the team’s transition while waiting for their freebies is where people are getting caught up with your comment.

Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI

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Post by DANmode »

xp84 wrote: post #128
dangus wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is telling it like it is not the rational default? If this is a forgettable press release isn't it lower effort than coming up with this type of nonsense?

Maybe it’s just my age or how my brain works, but positivity with a touch of BS is just business-speak. My company sold itself to a crappy company who fired most of us, but my departure message for my colleagues was full of “I’ve enjoyed this journey, it’s been a privilege, blah blah” and not “I’ve actually been counting down the days to be done with this nonsense since even before the acquisition.” You say this stuf…

> But no one wants to work with or hire someone who comes right out and says “I hope we sell the company to some rich jerks (ANY rich jerks, really!) so I can retire to the Bahamas.”

So just lie to them long enough to extract the value you need to sell out, right?

Thank you for the unabashed insight for the reader, but, as a founder: shame on that.

> we all agree to sugar coat this type of thing. We all love money

We don’t all agree. We don’t all “love money”.

We all don’t step on each other. That’s incorrect.

You’re justifying your choices,

which were made in the pursuit of presenting you in a particular way to others,

for your own psyche.

Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI

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Post by antonvs »

brap wrote: post #102
taurath wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a VC site. Morality or changing the world for the better is window dressing on earning as much money as possible and damn anyone who gets in the way. Morality is only good in as much as it’s good for business to be seen as moral. Money people have been majority running things for over 2 decades at least but the mythos lives on.

Killing bad people is changing the world for the better

Like journalists, or civilians in Gaza and Iran?

Re: Cirrus Labs to join OpenAI

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Post by antonvs »

taurath wrote: post #61
yoyohello13 wrote: post #52

Incredible how many people are perfectly fine working for a company making AI powered murder bots.

This is a VC site. Morality or changing the world for the better is window dressing on earning as much money as possible and damn anyone who gets in the way. Morality is only good in as much as it’s good for business to be seen as moral. Money people have been majority running things for over 2 decades at least but the mythos lives on.

> Morality or changing the world for the better

I noticed on Altman’s recent announcement about someone being mean to him, he said that OpenAI had “changed the world” - conspicuously lacking any mention of “better”.

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