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Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by lacy_tinpot »

pixelready wrote: post #139
lacy_tinpot wrote: post #131

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Industrial loom cloth is far inferior to artisan made cloth. And yet you'd be dooming all future generations to poverty if you stuck with artisanal cloth production.

Here’s everyone’s daily reminder that the Luddites were an anti-exploitation movement that were retconned into knuckle dragging technophobes by Capitalist propaganda. It is, was, and always will be, about the fair distribution of returns from productivity gains.

>It is, was, and always will be, about the fair distribution of returns from productivity gains.

I think we can agree with this. The system that determines the fair distribution of productivity gains today will have to change entirely.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by bko »

palmotea wrote: post #119
bko wrote: post #115

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Yes I did read it. Here are the relevant sections: > Many respondents did acknowledge that A.I. might make them more efficient in school and the workplace, he said. But they were concerned about how the technology would affect their creativity and critical thinking skills. So it's hurting their creativity and critical thinking skills. I wonder if they the existence of cars are hurting their ability to stay in shape.…

I don't think you understood it, because you seemed to read past the key findings to make some tired, tired points about "revealed preferences." > The percentage of respondents ages 14 to 29 who said they felt hopeful about A.I. declined sharply since last year, down to 18 percent from 27. Young adults’ excitement about artificial intelligence dropped, too, and nearly a third of respondents indicated that the technol…

Why did AI make them feel angry? Or was that beyond the scope of reporting? Seems like a pretty basic thing to ask.

> A young adult can totally abstain from AI and be negatively affected by all of that. And those are the kinds of things that could make people angry at the technology.

How would a young be negatively affected by abstinence from AI? Why is this implied? Give me a probable explanation for this. The article does not, and neither do any comments here.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by thankyoufriend »

bogzz wrote: post #113
thankyoufriend wrote: post #100

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Actually it was 7 years of physical training that deformed their bodies: "But the work left the body callused, bent, and molded. You could tell a cropper by his enormous forearms and by the “hoof” of callused skin that built up on his wrist. In the spring of 1811, George was in his early twenties, and he’d spent his post-adolescent life learning the trade. Seven years of hard, exacting labor; seven years of paying hi…

Thank you for correcting my misunderstanding! Let me pivot then-- I still argue that it is a fundamentally different case when it comes to LLMs. 1. Threatening young and educated people with not being able to realize the potential that they believed they were building for themselves is toying with social uprising. 2. Weaving is an apt example of redundancy on account of technological innovation but it's a poor compar…

1. This is not enough on it's own for social uprising, but it may be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I feel a lot of the general vibe in the US is summed up in this excerpt from "All Hail" by The Devil Makes Three:

"Laugh if you want to, really is kinda funny

'Cause the world is a car and you're the crash test dummy

Herd's stampeding now, fences gone

Television is always on and it says "Save the children, but drop the bomb

Replace the word 'right' now with the word 'wrong'

Hey, there's a big sale on Tuesday, get it before it's gone

Get a picture with the four horsemen for a nominal sum

Now that they got everything, they'd like to sell you some!

All hail, all hail, to the greatest of sales

Everything in sight's got to be sold

All hail, all hail, 'cause it's to work or to jail

Man, they're closing them doors on the world"

Closing them doors on the world aka pulling the ladder up behind them is exactly what is happening, and has been happening, to young white Americans for decades now, and young Americans of color since forever.

2. Weaving is an ancestor of programming so I feel it's an apt comparison to discussions of modern technology, as much as any historic profession can be. But to more specifically address your point about continuing to get better and putting more of the population at risk of job loss, there were multiple innovations within the textile industry that worked together to automate different portions of the industry. The point is similar to the poem "First They Came" by Martin Niemöller, where it starts somewhere but it will come for all of us. So focusing on whether or not weaving specifically is a good comparison to LLMs misses the point that if we don't band together as workers, we will eventually be overpowered by capital, foregoing any discussion about the morality of capitalism but just looking at eternal struggle of profit incentives vs wages.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by antonvs »

PaulHoule wrote: post #30
DaSHacka wrote: post #3

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Meh, there are still fields AI can't touch, going into those is a much better idea than trying (in vain) to use the Job Replacer 5000 in such a manner that won't eventually leave you without a job. We've always had offshoring too, and the same concerns exist there. The more corporate companies use it, and either eventually get burned and revert back, or just hold on for dear life as they circle the toilet. Curious ho…

Well I post a lot of articles about grippers and agricultural robots that almost never get upvoted so if you don't know about these things I blame y'all. I think if you want to change the world robots that can pick strawberries and change bedpans are it. People like to gush about "more Nobel prize research" an such but Nobel prizes are valuable because a limited number are given out, not because the research is valua…

Kuhn wouldn't tell you that because that cycle wasn't yet fully dominant when he wrote SSR, although the framework was in place for it.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by antonvs »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #97
antonvs wrote: post #79

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Those captains of industry almost certainly salivated over the idea of not needing weavers etc. any more. Is the difference you're seeing just that they're doing that publicly now?

No, the difference is that people used to kick down their doors and boot stomp their heads when they got this greedy about it

TIL I'm a conservative. I yearn to return to the old ways.

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Post by dlev_pika »

causal wrote: post #123
coffeebeqn wrote: post #39

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What exactly is the bull case for your average Joe to be excited about for AI?

I think there are a lot of people who (naively) believe AI is going to lead to abundance for everyone. I think there are very rich people trying to sell that vision. I think most of us know that even if AI could do all of our jobs, it won't be to give us free products and services.

Any rando might be able to push out their cute tool (hi mom!), this is what they (will) sell, but true leverage will happen for those that can allocate their vast resources to further dominate; The big players just appropriated the collective corpus of mankind’s knowledge.

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Post by bad_haircut72 »

9rx wrote: post #22
bad_haircut72 wrote: post #6

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Yeah "start a business with AI" is the new "learn to code". Like what does that even mean, do you just go to Claude "hey what business should I start?" If starting a business was so easy, almost all of us who work salary would go do it. This advice is like, if your local football club gets shut down, just work hard enough to make into Manchester United

> If starting a business was so easy, almost all of us who work salary would go do it. Would we? Starting a business is easy. Building a profitable business isn't even that hard. Wanting pleasure in our work is what stops us. Running a business generally isn't much fun. We work salary because it means we can focus on the enjoyable parts of the business, letting someone else deal with the crap.

This is completely wrong - Good for you if you think its so easy. I would do almost anything to get out of salary but every idea/attempt (and I have made several attempts) I have never even makes revenue let alone profit. Yet I can make 200k as a software engineer on salary.

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Post by dlev_pika »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #84
LPisGood wrote: post #46

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I feel like people said the same thing about Apple for years.

Apple was selling actual hardware though. Software doesn’t have that logistical moat.

Not only that, but also they have deep monitoring of any little good idea that might get traction within their platforms. It’s trivial for them to see what’s picking up and bring in-house.

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Post by cyanydeez »

Hopefully, they'll see the modern media is the same overhype under deliver and lockin emotional facade that is as empty as the current American farce. It's all such a bullshit storm that it's hard to imagine anyone believes there's a solid foundation and super reliance of the american dream create a dirth of benefits.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by kykat »

bko wrote: post #114
adjejmxbdjdn wrote: post #110

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Your conception of revealed preferences is highly mistaken. People don’t do things only because they want to. Do you think the existence of millions of trash pickers getting cancer combing through mounds of toxic waste across the world reveal a preference for getting cancer by combing through hazardous waste?

Enlighten me, why do young people use AI?

Because of laziness
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