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Is that a problem? Seems like a fair strategy. lol

Fair early, fail fast is a cornerstone of startup culture

That's not what Session is doing. They're dragging it out with a plea for donations to cover operating expenses.

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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> 65000 USD in donations > enough for infrastructure for the next 90 days 20k per month in infrastructure. Excuse me, what?

They're taking about paying for full time developers.

Where am I reading this wrongly?

> approximately $65,000 in donations. This is enough to maintain critical Session infrastructure for the next 90 days. We are extremely grateful for the support Session has received from the community, but unfortunately this is not sufficient to retain full-time developers. As a result, all paid staff and developers will have their final working day on April 9, 2026. After this date, some team members will continue on a primarily volunteer basis to help maintain Session until July 8, 2026.

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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> To date, the STF has received approximately $65,000 in donations. This is enough to maintain critical Session infrastructure for the next 90 days. Excuse me, what?! Spending $22k a month in infra as a pre-money startup is insane.

I've had the same question above: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47706122

Haha. The wording's equal too!

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Slack (originally an MMO), Nintendo (card games), Nokia (rubber shoes) and Netflix (DVDs over snail mail) would disagree. "We'll gather a bunch of talented people together, figure out what this industry needs and then do that, let's hope we can do that before the money runs out" can be a viable business plan. There's no guarantee it's going to work, there's never a guarantee a plan is going to work, but it can work s…

Plans are useless, but planning is essential. IIRC Nintendo had been operating for decades before they shifted to videogames. And Glitch (the MMO that gave birth to Slack) was also very much a product with a plan. Plan failed, or execution failed, or the industry shifted, or something else, or all or the above. But for sure it was not just "a bunch of talented people."

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Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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I feel like a crazy person for having to write this, but: if you are starting a business (yes, non-profits are businesses), then you need to have a business plan. If you launch a business and you have not done the work to have a business plan, then in 99.999% of situations, your business will fail. A business plan includes market & competitive research, a revenue plan based on that research that includes realistic pr…

nah. we never had a business plan and are still going strong 11 years later. 99.999% is a gross exaggeration of reality. we’ll never actually have this data, but I bet there isn’t much correlation if any between having a business plan and being successful. have you started a successful business?

I suspect you did actually have a business plan, even if it was informal & just in your head. Something like "based on my experience in this line of work, I can charge about $X for Y service, if I get Z sales at that price, it's a viable business, otherwise I'll try to do ABC instead." It's light on details, but that's still a business plan, you had a plan to bring income in. That's fine.

Not having a business plan looks like "we'll release a free thing, have no way to generate income, lose money for a few years, and then beg for a million dollars." That's not a business plan. That's a waste of your time & your users' time.

> have you started a successful business?

Not yet, but I am actually working on it! Having a meeting with a local business tomorrow to discuss potential market pricing options so I have some idea of how much money I can expect to make. Business plan!

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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post #131
post #14

I feel like a crazy person for having to write this, but: if you are starting a business (yes, non-profits are businesses), then you need to have a business plan. If you launch a business and you have not done the work to have a business plan, then in 99.999% of situations, your business will fail. A business plan includes market & competitive research, a revenue plan based on that research that includes realistic pr…

nah. we never had a business plan and are still going strong 11 years later. 99.999% is a gross exaggeration of reality. we’ll never actually have this data, but I bet there isn’t much correlation if any between having a business plan and being successful. have you started a successful business?

I’m not speaking from the startup world, but the sheer amount of small businesses that don’t do any level of revenue forecasting, financial modeling, or even formal budgeting and still make a comfortable sum (~$10m assets over the course of 10 years) based on instinct is pretty staggering. Personally it seems more stressful but that’s the leeway experience gets you.

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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post #131

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nah. we never had a business plan and are still going strong 11 years later. 99.999% is a gross exaggeration of reality. we’ll never actually have this data, but I bet there isn’t much correlation if any between having a business plan and being successful. have you started a successful business?

For my master thesis I did a lot of digging into the research on success factors for startups. And at least based on what I found back then, you're right. The correlation is weak between any factor like this and success. Generally positive though, so it does make sense to try doing some planning. But it's definitely not a requirement. In general, observable factors doesn't strongly correlate with success. Probably bo…

This kind of analysis sounds far more interesting than a lot of the "just do what I did!" startup writing that's out there. Do you have any recommendations for further reading from this perspective?

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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I've built many apps throughout the years. One thing that I've learned is that privacy is a secondary concern. It's never a primary one. If your app's main differentiation is privacy, it won't sell. Users just don't care about it that much.

Inauthentic activity benefits from privacy though. Inauthentic activity is a primary use case of ChatGPT, which is way more successful than anything you've ever made. Do you think kids using ChatGPT to cheat on homework would care if their chats were "private" but educators could check if submitted essays matched generated content? Uh, yes. So privacy isn't as simple of an idea as you think it is, and is certainly extremely valuable.

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slack (originally an MMO), Nintendo (card games), Nokia (rubber shoes) and Netflix (DVDs over snail mail) would disagree. "We'll gather a bunch of talented people together, figure out what this industry needs and then do that, let's hope we can do that before the money runs out" can be a viable business plan. There's no guarantee it's going to work, there's never a guarantee a plan is going to work, but it can work s…

I believe NetFlix actually had a plan to stream movies from the start (hence the name) and just did the DVD shipping as a way to get started.

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