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Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by akdev1l »

oasisbob wrote: post #137
akdev1l wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I don't like free offerings, because what if they decide to charge someday? What if someone decides "free is not feasible, we start charging $20 per instance now". You can just move to another provider at that point. At least when it comes to CDN and DNS there’s literally no vendor lock-in. You can grab your dns records export them to csv and import somewhere else easily and a CDN is just a file server so you can ju…

> At least when it comes to CDN and DNS there’s literally no vendor lock-in. ehhhh, really depends on which CDN features you're using, and at what volume. Using ESI? VCL? Signed URLs or auth? Any other custom functionality? Are you depending on your provider's bot management features which are "CONTACT FOR PRICE" with other providers? Does your CDN provider have a special egress deal with your cloud provider? It's po…

>Using ESI? VCL? Signed URLs or auth? Any other custom functionality? Are you depending on your provider's bot management features which are "CONTACT FOR PRICE" with other providers?

I have no idea what two of those acronyms mean. None of this is part of what a CDN offers.

Yes if you use DDoS protection, or cloudfare’s ZeroTrust or embrace $X proprietary features then what I said no longer applies.

I strictly said DNS and CDN.

Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by akdev1l »

osigurdson wrote: post #82
glhaynes wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can anyone say why this is being downvoted? Seems like it makes sense to me, but this isn't my area of expertise.

I didn't downvote it, but I don't think migrating away from Cloudflare workers, R2, D1, etc., isn't going to be that easy. Basically, the build these things from the ground up to work optimally for their infra - even the mental model that you have to use is different. If you only narrowly use one part of it, maybe.

>Cloudflare workers, R2, D1, etc., isn't going to be that easy.

And how is that related to me? My comment said (and the parent I replied to) mentioned DNS and CDN.

Now we add compute services, data storage, whatever D1 is and the other comment mentioned auth/authz

Are people not aware what CDN and DNS are?

Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by bombcar »

tensor wrote: post #128
gertop wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been the service provider who had to paywall just to stop the spammers and you're right. But it's also true that kids will be collateral damage (or anyone without a credit card). In my case, and it was the 90s, I took the time to setup a way to pay by calling a premium (1-900) for $1.49 number so the barrier to entry even for kids was still reasonable. Maybe in modern day the equivalent is adding Google pay an…

If a parent can buy their kid a computer, they can pay 1 euro a month for a CDN in the rare case they need it. This is a bad argument.

I think the point is that many HNer’s had parents who couldn’t or wouldn’t do “computer things”

Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by DoctorOW »

PUSH_AX wrote: post #27

This has to be an ad right? Affiliate link in the blog, non sensical reasoning for switching (single point of failure to... another single point of failure) etc

> (single point of failure to... another single point of failure)

I feel like you missed what the author meant with that phrase. The author wasn't talking about for their website, but the internet as a whole.

> I can’t help but feel that the idea of centralizing the internet into a single US corporation feels off.

The point of picking Bunny.net is that it's alternative to this single entity that's got so much of the internet running through it, and is less susceptible to the BS in the US.

Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by akdev1l »

Etheryte wrote: post #57
glhaynes wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can anyone say why this is being downvoted? Seems like it makes sense to me, but this isn't my area of expertise.

Predictability matters. The whole point of paying someone else to handle a problem for you is that you don't have to worry about it. If you go all in on a provider and then suddenly find out that you've been switched to a paid plan in the middle of your vacation, that's not a place anyone wants to be. Saying there's no lock-in is nice, but that overlooks the fact that there most definitely is friction. What if there'…

>What if there's no mass export? No mass import? Or you need to reset 2FA?

1. For DNS we have standardized AXFR requests which the DNS provider needs to support as they are part of the DNS standard. There is not an option of not having that unless you have a really shitty provider that you should change anyway.

2. Same for Mass Import because again DNS already defines these things at the protocol level.

And resetting 2FA or whatever is just the cost of using any service

Personally I have used CF for ~10 years so I have saved $240 and I simultaneously use GitHub Pages and CF Pages for CDN because again I just need to give them a bunch of static files. Adding a third CDN provider would literally be a single command at the end of my build pipeline.

Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by reactordev »

The only thing stopping everyone is the convenience. Someone already does this? Cool, here’s my credit card. For the Non-US folks, you’re just as capable. Good to see a company like Bunny realize it. It’s just a bunch of computers and some networking, what could go wrong? /s (but seriously, you can do this…)

Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by cube00 »

osigurdson wrote: post #77
kugelblitz wrote: post #38

I use bunny.net for CDN and DNS. I don't like free offerings, because what if they decide to charge someday? What if someone decides "free is not feasible, we start charging $20 per instance now". I'd rather have a low fee now, a change from $2 to $3 is more likely and that's fine for me. But from free to not free is risky for me. I also like smaller, independent-ish ompanies that actually care about developers. That…

Logically, the only thing CloudFlare would do is lower or eliminate the free usage tier. For instance, if X million operations are currently free, they make X/2 operations free. I don't think they would do that, but if they did, it couldn't possibly be existential to any viable company. Practically, any metered supplier can put you out of business. It usually doesn't happen because destruction is mutually assured. +1…

Except for those cases where CF sales have threatened to kick businesses off the platform unless they join an five or six figure enterprise plan because they've passed some unpublished threshold.

Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by diarrhea »

hak8or wrote: post #94
wahnfrieden wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bunny doesn’t have a free tier, but their greatest asset is that it has prepaid billing: there’s zero risk of running up a surprise six figure bill just because of being attacked, making a mistake with a deploy, or other sudden sources of resource usage. I’d rather my site go down than to be on the hook for hundreds of thousands, which many projects have no hope of generating from sudden spikes in traffic of any sour…

And this is why I am immediately shifting to bunny from cloudflare at this point. A week ago I (a hobbyist running a small side project for a dollar or two a month in normal usage, so my account is marked as "individual") got hit with a ~$17,000 bill from Google cloud because some combination of key got leaked or my homelab got compromised, and the attacker consumed tens of thousands in gemini usage in only a few hou…

Just this month Google shipped what I understand as hard limits in AI Studio/Gemini/whatever it's called this week. I had existing billing alerts (best you could do before IIUC), but set these new hard limits up immediately. Feels good!

Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by hobofan »

tensor wrote: post #128
gertop wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been the service provider who had to paywall just to stop the spammers and you're right. But it's also true that kids will be collateral damage (or anyone without a credit card). In my case, and it was the 90s, I took the time to setup a way to pay by calling a premium (1-900) for $1.49 number so the barrier to entry even for kids was still reasonable. Maybe in modern day the equivalent is adding Google pay an…

If a parent can buy their kid a computer, they can pay 1 euro a month for a CDN in the rare case they need it. This is a bad argument.

Pay 1 Euro a month... or 1000s if their kid fucks up.

Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by kugelblitz »

broken-kebab wrote: post #107
kugelblitz wrote: post #38

I use bunny.net for CDN and DNS. I don't like free offerings, because what if they decide to charge someday? What if someone decides "free is not feasible, we start charging $20 per instance now". I'd rather have a low fee now, a change from $2 to $3 is more likely and that's fine for me. But from free to not free is risky for me. I also like smaller, independent-ish ompanies that actually care about developers. That…

>What if someone decides "free is not feasible, we start charging $20 per instance now". This logic doesn't hold much water, however. Abrupt changes in pricing or other conditions happen with paid tiers as well

Yes, but combine that with a small-ish provider, this will also hurt them (e.g. see Google Maps price hike). Either way, if I use a service 20x a month and it costs $15, I can handle a hike to $20, that's fine, somewhat predictable. They also relied on those customers, they can't just get rid of all $15 customers.

But if a free offering suddenly says "We are getting rid of free, only starting $899 a month baseline, because we noticed our free users aren't converting and we only want to support enterprise from now on". Well, then I have to move everything.

Still a big price hike can come, but +20% monthly is easier to stomach than if I can't be sure what will happen to the free offering.

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