Pretty misleading. This driver is only for compute not graphics.
GPUs can do graphics too?
I can’t tell if you’re making a joke about the current state of AI and GPUs or refuting the purpose of this driver
Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs
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Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
It depends how you define the market. In the 2001 microsoft case [0], the courts ruled Microsoft had a monopoly over the "Intel-based personal computer market". Apple has a monopoly over the "M-chip" personal computer market. They have a monopoly over the iOS market with the app store. They have a monopoly over the driver market on macOS. Like, Microsoft was found guilty of exploiting its monopoly for installing IE b…
I wouldn’t say it is obvious. Apple does not have the monopoly of ARM based PCs. Labeling it as a monopoly of M chips is not fair or accurate when comparing to MS on Intel. It’s also probably relevant that MS was not selling PCs or their own hardware. They had a monopoly on a market where you effectively had to use their software to use the hardware you bought from a different company. Because Apple is selling their…
> Labeling it as a monopoly of M chips is not fair or accurate when comparing to MS on Intel.
The relevant thing here isn't the chips, it's tying things to the chips, because those would otherwise be separate markets. If you could feasibly buy an iPhone and install Android or Lineage OS on it or use Google Play or F-Droid on iOS then no one would be saying that Apple has a monopoly on operating systems or app stores for iOS since there would actually be alternatives to theirs.
The fake alternative is that you could use a different store by buying a different phone, but this is like saying that if Toyota is the only one who can change the brake pads on a Toyota and Ford is the only one who can change the brake pads on a Ford then there is competition for "brake pads" because when your Toyota needs new brake pads you can just buy a Ford vehicle. It's obvious why this is different than anyone being able to buy third party brake pads for your Toyota from Autozone, right?
> It’s also probably relevant that MS was not selling PCs or their own hardware.
This is the thing that unambiguously should never be relevant. It can't be a real thing that you can avoid being a monopoly by owning more of the supply chain. It's like saying that Microsoft could have avoided being a monopoly by buying Intel and AMD, or buying one of them and then exterminating the other by refusing to put Windows on it. That's a preposterous perverse incentive.
Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well “had to use” is a strong phrase here. Linux was already around and you could have used it too with your hardware. I think you can always bend an argument to fit your point.
The PC manufacturers had to pay MS for a license no matter what operating system was installed.
Indeed. Pepperidge Farm remembers Microsoft's campaign against "naked PCs"
Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs
#144Idk why this doesn't link to the original source instead of this proxy source: https://x.com/__tinygrad__/status/2039213719155310736
Probably because you can't actually read anything more than the initial post without getting a login-wall: "Join X now to read replies on this post." (Not to mention "X" is a trash site now)
Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs
#145Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
This driver doesn't support CUDA.
Isnt mlx a cuda translation later?
No, MLX is nothing like a Cuda translation layer at all. It’d be more accurate to describe MLX as a NumPy translation layer; it lets you write high level code dealing with NumPy style arrays and under the hood will use a Metal GPU or CUDA GPU for execution. It doesn’t translate existing CUDA code to run on non-CUDA devices.
Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple doesn’t have a monopoly in any market they are in.
It depends how you define the market. In the 2001 microsoft case [0], the courts ruled Microsoft had a monopoly over the "Intel-based personal computer market". Apple has a monopoly over the "M-chip" personal computer market. They have a monopoly over the iOS market with the app store. They have a monopoly over the driver market on macOS. Like, Microsoft was found guilty of exploiting its monopoly for installing IE b…
Yes. If you define the market in a ridiculous manner and convince a court to go along with it, anybody can be a monopoly.
But the M series are an Apple product line designed by Apple with a ARM license and produced on contract by TSMC for use in other Apple products.
Don’t assume the facts from another case automatically apply in other cases.
Or as Justice Jackson once put it: “Other cases presenting different allegations and different records may lead to different conclusions”
Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wouldn’t say it is obvious. Apple does not have the monopoly of ARM based PCs. Labeling it as a monopoly of M chips is not fair or accurate when comparing to MS on Intel. It’s also probably relevant that MS was not selling PCs or their own hardware. They had a monopoly on a market where you effectively had to use their software to use the hardware you bought from a different company. Because Apple is selling their…
> Labeling it as a monopoly of M chips is not fair or accurate when comparing to MS on Intel. The relevant thing here isn't the chips, it's tying things to the chips, because those would otherwise be separate markets. If you could feasibly buy an iPhone and install Android or Lineage OS on it or use Google Play or F-Droid on iOS then no one would be saying that Apple has a monopoly on operating systems or app stores…
> It can't be a real thing that you can avoid being a monopoly by owning more of the supply chain.
Move the most important aspects of your software to hardware. Hard for MacOS but for a Chromebook style thing you could write the browser into its own pice of wafer.
Google should pay me to be this evil.
Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs
#149Apple should update this page for ARM macs, now runs tinygrad on eGPUs: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102363