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The Claude Code Leak

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Re: The Claude Code Leak

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post #90

In my opinion, the “code is garbage” argument is a moot point. Anthropic is in the business of removing humans from the SDLC. As long as their models can understand and update the code they generate it can remain garbage. They’re not optimizing for human comprehension of the output. They don’t even want you looking at it. And eventually the models will get good enough that you won’t have to.

It doesn't seem like they're optimizing for stable, working software either, nor, apparently, a stable, working release workflow.

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#142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everyone knows that. Except, apparently, Anthropic - who are doing their darndest to get everyone onboard their tools as a moat. Apparently that's the only strategy to AI stickiness.

And their strategy kind of worked, right? CC is the most popular agentic coding tool. Anthropic faces competition from OpenAI (potentially better model, weaker TUI tool) and from the rest (potentially worse models, weaker TUIs). So their strategy is to develop both: make their closed model and closed tool better than competition so that when people want to vibceode they will choose their ecosystem.

OpenAI Codex is a much higher quality harness than Claude Code or OpenCode, and available as open source.

Re: The Claude Code Leak

#143

From a moral perspective, I would argue that this is still theft of IP, even if it's a "clean room reimplementation". The code carries valuable information about what works and what doesn't — knowledge that Anthropic had to discover through real work and iteration. It's the same as a Chinese factory duplicating a product: they skipped the entire R&D phase and saved time and money.

following this reasoning, wouldn't it mean that everything that Claude generates is a theft of IP?

It was taught on massive code bases that carried valuable information about what works

Re: The Claude Code Leak

#144

> Many software developers have argued that working like a pack of hyenas and shipping hundreds of commits a day without reading your code is an unsustainable way to build valuable software, but this leak suggests that maybe this isn’t true — bad code can build well-regarded products. The product hasn't been around long enough to decide whether such an approach is "sustainable". It is currently in a hype state and ne…

I have flip-flopped more than ever in the last 365 days about prioritizing good code vs good product, in the AI age. This helps clarifies why. I have come to the conclusion that we just do not know yet. There is a part of me that believes there is a point somewhere on the grand scale where the code quality genuinely does not matter if the outcome is reliably and deterministically achieved. (As an image, I like to thi…

Imo, code quality genuinely matter for the outcome and customer happiness. Including in startups.

But, there is also quite a lot of confident "code quality" fluff claims that have nothing to do with maintainability, robustness or performance. Fairly often, a guy claiming "the code is garbage" is not actually concerned with code quality as much as he is concerned with asserting dominance. Or is confusing own preference with quality.

Re: The Claude Code Leak

#145
post #117

The copyright angle is the most underrated part of this story. Anthropic built their models on other people's code under the fair use argument, but the moment their own code leaks they reach for DMCA takedowns. You can't have it both ways. The clean room reimplementations are the natural consequence of the legal framework they themselves advocated for.

>but the moment their own code leaks they reach for DMCA takedowns. Did they actually? Someone can go to prison for 5 years for that. Fact 1: AI generated code has no copyright, so the Digital Millennium Copyright Act does not apply. Fact 2: Misrepresenting your copyright ownership under the DMCA is felony perjury. Fact 3: The existence of undercover.ts in the leak is grounds to void any copyright claims on whatever…

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Re: The Claude Code Leak

#146
post #117

The copyright angle is the most underrated part of this story. Anthropic built their models on other people's code under the fair use argument, but the moment their own code leaks they reach for DMCA takedowns. You can't have it both ways. The clean room reimplementations are the natural consequence of the legal framework they themselves advocated for.

>but the moment their own code leaks they reach for DMCA takedowns. Did they actually? Someone can go to prison for 5 years for that. Fact 1: AI generated code has no copyright, so the Digital Millennium Copyright Act does not apply. Fact 2: Misrepresenting your copyright ownership under the DMCA is felony perjury. Fact 3: The existence of undercover.ts in the leak is grounds to void any copyright claims on whatever…

>Did they actually?

Yes.

https://x.com/theo/status/2039411851919057339

https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2026/03/2026-03-3...

https://github.com/nirholas/claude-code

Re: The Claude Code Leak

#147
post #138
post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You make some factual claims that I‘ve never heard before and surprise me, especially „Fact 1“.

It would be so simple for you to right click and search the web to verify that. https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB10922

You're right of course. Thank you for providing an authoritative source regardless!

Re: The Claude Code Leak

#149
post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are several ways of looking at law and order. One way is that the law applies to everybody equally. That has been the way it works for many years, not perfectly, in democratic countries. There is another way of working were the law is not blind. Laws are applied based in who is the one affected. This is what big tech and the ultra-rich have been advocating for. The law applies differently to nobility and aristo…

In other words, the law is an instrument if power. That’s a cynical view, but unfortunately it seems true in many cases, especially for corporate law.

"there is an in-group for which the law protects but does not bind, and an out-group to which the law binds but does not protect"

Re: The Claude Code Leak

#150
I think the argument here ignores a critical fact: a huge factor in Claude Code's popularity is the Claude Max plans. These plans give you potentially thousands of dollars of tokens for a capped $200.

Speaking for myself, I long for the day I can dump the comparatively garbage experience of Claude Code for something more enjoyable and OSS like OpenCode. But the fact is that it is simply not economically viable to do so.

So the PMF is not really for Claude Code alone -- it is for Claude Code + Claude Max.

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