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EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by busterarm »

sp1nningaway wrote: post #128
busterarm wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> wordpress is valuable because it allows very bad developers / marketing people to write very bad code and get away with it, driving extremely low cost solutions for clients who are cost concious. You've sort of nailed it, but this isn't a bad thing. An alternative for these customers does not exist. There's another vertical which is organizations that have armies of writers churning out content. Any kind of publish…

>> wordpress is valuable because it allows very bad developers / marketing people to write very bad code and get away with it, driving extremely low cost solutions for clients who are cost concious. > You've sort of nailed it, but this isn't a bad thing. An alternative for these customers does not exist. Yes! I'm locked into WordPress, which I hate, because it's the only platform that will allow a non-developer to ma…

Which also allows you to not be on call 24/7.

A decade ago I had to learn and run WordPress for a job. I held my nose up the stink was so bad. But quickly I learned how to manage it and have modern sensible practices around it and I've probably gotten more real value out of it than any other CMS or web framework I've touched. That includes Rails.

Thankfully I don't have to do that anymore, but you can sanely and safely run WordPress today and there's zero shame in it.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by bombcar »

ascorbic wrote: post #124
solarkraft wrote: post #99

Convince me this isn’t vibeslop. If Cloudflare really have radically changed their software development philosophy lately, this would actually be an interesting project, being based on Astro and coming with some APIs for programmatic management. Them being so happy about the „cost of software development“ and not going very deep into ecosystem, community or project management doesn’t convince me that this is going to…

I'm the main engineer on this. I've also been on the Astro core team for two years, so I do think I understand real open source software and community. As the post implies, I did use a lot of agent time on this, but this isn't a vibe-coded weekend project. I've been working full time on this since mid-January.

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Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by BoorishBears »

ascorbic wrote: post #124
solarkraft wrote: post #99

Convince me this isn’t vibeslop. If Cloudflare really have radically changed their software development philosophy lately, this would actually be an interesting project, being based on Astro and coming with some APIs for programmatic management. Them being so happy about the „cost of software development“ and not going very deep into ecosystem, community or project management doesn’t convince me that this is going to…

I'm the main engineer on this. I've also been on the Astro core team for two years, so I do think I understand real open source software and community. As the post implies, I did use a lot of agent time on this, but this isn't a vibe-coded weekend project. I've been working full time on this since mid-January.

Why would you gut the credibility of the project for that tagline then: why not skip mentioning agents?

You even open the article by linking the toy project where you used agents to "recreate Next in a week" and released with critical vulnerabilities.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by bombcar »

busterarm wrote: post #141
sp1nningaway wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> wordpress is valuable because it allows very bad developers / marketing people to write very bad code and get away with it, driving extremely low cost solutions for clients who are cost concious. > You've sort of nailed it, but this isn't a bad thing. An alternative for these customers does not exist. Yes! I'm locked into WordPress, which I hate, because it's the only platform that will allow a non-developer to ma…

Which also allows you to not be on call 24/7. A decade ago I had to learn and run WordPress for a job. I held my nose up the stink was so bad. But quickly I learned how to manage it and have modern sensible practices around it and I've probably gotten more real value out of it than any other CMS or web framework I've touched. That includes Rails. Thankfully I don't have to do that anymore, but you can sanely and safe…

There are options that can be run by anyone, but they're often very constrained in what they can do and show.

Wordpress is solidly in that middle ground where you can do a large amount of customization if someone'll pay for it, and then they can do the day-to-day care and feeding of it.

Everything else has either been much worse in all possible ways (Joomla!) or has been a collection of developer wish-lists unusable by anyone (Drupal).

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by zsoltkacsandi »

ascorbic wrote: post #124
solarkraft wrote: post #99

Convince me this isn’t vibeslop. If Cloudflare really have radically changed their software development philosophy lately, this would actually be an interesting project, being based on Astro and coming with some APIs for programmatic management. Them being so happy about the „cost of software development“ and not going very deep into ecosystem, community or project management doesn’t convince me that this is going to…

I'm the main engineer on this. I've also been on the Astro core team for two years, so I do think I understand real open source software and community. As the post implies, I did use a lot of agent time on this, but this isn't a vibe-coded weekend project. I've been working full time on this since mid-January.

This doesn't really address the concern.

The question isn't whether this took longer than a weekend or whether you personally have open source experience, it's whether Emdash is actually being built as an open ecosystem or as a Cloudflare-bound platform. Bringing up your background reads like using prior credibility to justify the project's quality, instead of demonstrating it.

If it only runs properly on Cloudflare's infrastructure, then invoking "understanding open source and community" feels misleading. Those values usually imply portability and independent ecosystem growth, not tight platform coupling.

Also, "not vibeslop" here isn't about effort, it's about whether there's a clear, defensible reason this exists beyond being an AI-accelerated WordPress-like system tied to one vendor.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by reaperducer »

alsetmusic wrote: post #117
reaperducer wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can assure you this is not an April Fools. Cloudflare does not do that. It should. I miss the days when tech was interesting and fun. Even Steve Jobs, for all his later-day revisionist hard-assed reputation, enjoyed the occasional Easter egg, inside joke, or April Fool's joke.

I hated that shit. I'd load Slashdot and there was no real content or it was difficult to find real news amongst all the crap. It's not funny. It's annoying.

I feel bad for you. That's a lot of anger over virtually nothing.
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