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Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by verdverm »

numpad0 wrote: post #137
verdverm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Japanese is the second most used language on Bluesky https://bskycharts.edavis.dev/edavis.dev/bskycharts.edavis.d...

But the en:ja ratio is like 5:1. Real population ratio between us:jp is like 3:1, and on Twitter it's more like 1.5:1 by active user count. This means Bluesky is less popular in Japan than it is in English speaking regions.

yes, and... would be more appropriate than "but"

Our points are not mutually exclusive. Thanks for adding more insight. Is your bsky ratio based on actual users or the data at the link? (which is posts by language) Are there similar content stats for the site formerly known as Twitter?

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by verdverm »

poulpy123 wrote: post #108
apitman wrote: post #32

> Social media was supposed to connect us, but most of it has turned into ads, division, and loneliness. I'm betting on ATProto as a way to fix that I disagree with the premise here. I think the core mechanics of social media, ie instant communication between random strangers about random topics, creates toxic interactions regardless of whether it's manipulated by engagement algorithms. Some of the most toxic convers…

for what I have seen Bluesky is not less toxic than twitter.

It resembles Truth Social more than Twitter, but the opposite side.

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by pythonaut_16 »

iamkonstantin wrote: post #113
apitman wrote: post #32

> Social media was supposed to connect us, but most of it has turned into ads, division, and loneliness. I'm betting on ATProto as a way to fix that I disagree with the premise here. I think the core mechanics of social media, ie instant communication between random strangers about random topics, creates toxic interactions regardless of whether it's manipulated by engagement algorithms. Some of the most toxic convers…

Bluesky/ATProto is (for all that concerns non-developers) a Twitter clone. I think the nostalgia of pre-enschitifed socials is pushing us to try and recreate the experience but I don’t think it would work because it’s not 2010 anymore. Mastodon/ActivityPub has a lot more to offer than mastodon.social but getting to that also means leaving the Twitter look and feel and folks realising they don’t have to follow trends…

I don't see how you can say Bluesky/ATProto is essentially a Twitter clone and turn around and just assume that Mastondon/ActivityPub is not essentailly just a Twitter clone.

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by verdverm »

razingeden wrote: post #100
jauntywundrkind wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please commit to your beliefs and sign out, don't come back, if you think that way about social media. Stop proving your point wrong by using social media like hacker news comments, if you think social media so blanketly bad, useless, & ineffective. IMO there's huge value, these are amazing connective spaces. The sheer rank pitiful nihilism of these grievance-only walk-away shut-down views is totally unacceptable, is…

You must be seeing ants over the fact that you can’t put the parent commenter on some “list” that prevents me from seeing a reasoned and reasonably civil comment that you disagree with. 20,000,000 accounts out of 60,000,000 [0] have already fled Bluesky in despair and will never return to it. Including some of its own creators, like jack Dorsey. Their technology stack is completely irrelevant because it is botted to…

There are not 60M accounts. There are ~43M accounts ever seen

3M have been taken down or deleted

MAU/WAU/DAU ~ 5M/3M/1.5M

It would be closer to say 38M+ accounts have churned for been removed, nearly 90%

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by verdverm »

desireco42 wrote: post #15
charcircuit wrote: post #12

X just unified the feed across languages such that all posts automatically get translated for users. These kinds of innovations are much more important than the ability to be able to switch apps.

Absolutely agree, but as technologists our instict is to solve problem as technical, not as social.

Is it the "when all you have is a hammer..." issue?

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by ronsor »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #96
verdverm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Japanese is the second most used language on Bluesky https://bskycharts.edavis.dev/edavis.dev/bskycharts.edavis.d...

Japanese Bluesky isn't even close to Twitter yet. No politicians, no actors and actresses, no seiyuu, no utaite, a few mangaka and light novel authors, nobody that talks about trains, though there is the Frieren official account. There's a few Japanese that are just trying to generally meet new people or some that use Blueksy as a 1 way venting valve. And as usual there are some political Japanese. In fact given how…

Bluesky itself is just a politics magnet.

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by fineIllregister »

nottorp wrote: post #131

I don't think protocols are the solution. Didn't the original facebook only show you posts of friends? Made by them or intentionally reshared by them. Stop at that and you get rid of the influencer spam. The danger of placing yourself in a bubble is still there, but at least it's a bubble of your friends, that you could have got yourself into even in real life. Of course, there's the question of how you finance this.

> Didn't the original facebook only show you posts of friends?

The feed was added a few years later. Originally, if you wanted to see someone's posts, you had to go to their page and look on their wall (a term I haven't heard in some time).

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by graemep »

apitman wrote: post #32

> Social media was supposed to connect us, but most of it has turned into ads, division, and loneliness. I'm betting on ATProto as a way to fix that I disagree with the premise here. I think the core mechanics of social media, ie instant communication between random strangers about random topics, creates toxic interactions regardless of whether it's manipulated by engagement algorithms. Some of the most toxic convers…

> instant communication between random strangers about random topics

Yes, but it requires both parts. HN works fine between random strangers, and random topics work fine with people you know. Its the combination that is toxic.

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by verdverm »

graemep wrote: post #148
apitman wrote: post #32

> Social media was supposed to connect us, but most of it has turned into ads, division, and loneliness. I'm betting on ATProto as a way to fix that I disagree with the premise here. I think the core mechanics of social media, ie instant communication between random strangers about random topics, creates toxic interactions regardless of whether it's manipulated by engagement algorithms. Some of the most toxic convers…

> instant communication between random strangers about random topics Yes, but it requires both parts. HN works fine between random strangers, and random topics work fine with people you know. Its the combination that is toxic.

There's also something about to be said about reposts, which expand the reach by someone else's control. Many a dunk are performed this way and bring on the mob.

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by numpad0 »

verdverm wrote: post #141
numpad0 wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the en:ja ratio is like 5:1. Real population ratio between us:jp is like 3:1, and on Twitter it's more like 1.5:1 by active user count. This means Bluesky is less popular in Japan than it is in English speaking regions.

yes, and... would be more appropriate than "but" Our points are not mutually exclusive. Thanks for adding more insight. Is your bsky ratio based on actual users or the data at the link? (which is posts by language) Are there similar content stats for the site formerly known as Twitter?

All the numbers I based above comment were either from that link and/or quickly googlable data, nothing special.
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