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French e, è, é, ê, ë – what's the difference?

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Re: French e, è, é, ê, ë – what's the difference?

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post #93

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It's my go-to (pun intended) whenever a native English speaker complains about other languages being "hard to pronounce" :)

To be fair, the "ghoti" joke is not about pronunciation but rather about the perceived mismatch between the way a word is written and the way it is spoken.

> not about pronunciation

> about [...] the way a word is written [vs.] the way it is spoken.

That concept is called pronunciation.

Re: French e, è, é, ê, ë – what's the difference?

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, the "ghoti" joke is not about pronunciation but rather about the perceived mismatch between the way a word is written and the way it is spoken.

> not about pronunciation > about [...] the way a word is written [vs.] the way it is spoken. That concept is called pronunciation.

Not exactly. Pronunciation varies between dialects and accents; it is the subject of a linguistic discipline called "phonology"; writing systems or difficulties arising from their "irregularities" with respect to spoken word do not concern it. Put differently, speech and pronunciation, while related, are not the same.

Re: French e, è, é, ê, ë – what's the difference?

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post #138

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The most fascinating i find the pronunciation of 'women'. Of the word, i mean.

The famous ghoti as an alternate spelling for fish. Gh like in enough O like in women Ti like in nation

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoti_Hook

Re: French e, è, é, ê, ë – what's the difference?

#145

As a native (Québécois) French speaker who's been living in the US for most of my adult life, something I miss from French is that once you've learned the (many) rules, you can be pretty confident about how to pronounce a given word. English on the other hand has so many exceptions (usually based on the origin of the word), that I still encounter words that I'll mispronounce at first. I can typically pass as a native…

The most phonetically consistent language I know is Finnish. I believe there is exactly one way to pronounce every word and it's clear to all speakers. And the least phonetically consistent is English.

> The most phonetically consistent language I know is Finnish. I believe there is exactly one way to pronounce every word and it's clear to all speakers.

It's even better than that, there is a single sound for each letter individually. Put together those sounds and that's how the word is deterministically pronounced, no guessing or learning (or even understanding) necessary.

Re: French e, è, é, ê, ë – what's the difference?

#146

>Ê with the circumflex accent marks an “e” after which originally some other letter was written (usually an S), but this letter is no longer present in its modern spelling. [snip] >By imagining “es” instead of “ê”, we can often deduce the meaning of unknown words; for example, forêt = forest, fête = “feste” = fest(ival); intérêt = interest and many others. The circumflex accent is used in the very same sense also for…

This is freaking genius!

Re: French e, è, é, ê, ë – what's the difference?

#147

>Ê with the circumflex accent marks an “e” after which originally some other letter was written (usually an S), but this letter is no longer present in its modern spelling. [snip] >By imagining “es” instead of “ê”, we can often deduce the meaning of unknown words; for example, forêt = forest, fête = “feste” = fest(ival); intérêt = interest and many others. The circumflex accent is used in the very same sense also for…

I had that "a-ha" moment not at first by learning that "fenêtre" means "window", but later when I learned the German word is "Fenster".

I know this because every Christmas Eve I hear Hans Gruber say "schiessen den fenster".

Re: French e, è, é, ê, ë – what's the difference?

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>Ê with the circumflex accent marks an “e” after which originally some other letter was written (usually an S), but this letter is no longer present in its modern spelling. [snip] >By imagining “es” instead of “ê”, we can often deduce the meaning of unknown words; for example, forêt = forest, fête = “feste” = fest(ival); intérêt = interest and many others. The circumflex accent is used in the very same sense also for…

I had that "a-ha" moment not at first by learning that "fenêtre" means "window", but later when I learned the German word is "Fenster".

It comes from Latin fenestra. People are throwing around lots of languages in this subthread, but it needs to be said that the circonflex indicates an omitted s from the Latin original.

Maybe there are cases where the original isn't Latin, but I've never noticed one, and French does not have many words of non-Latin origin. I'm not sure if English speakers commonly know that, but English is a rare case of thoroughly mixed origins.

Re: French e, è, é, ê, ë – what's the difference?

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French is such a shitty language. I've been learning Polish lately and every word is spoken exactly as you write it. A real breath of fresh air.

That's more of an orthographic problem than a language problem.

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