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LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

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Re: LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

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Sorry, might be obvious to some, but is that rate applied to the whole screen or can certain parts be limited to 1Hz whilst others are at a higher rate? The ability to vary it seems like it would be valuable as there are significant portions of a screen that remain fairly static for longer periods but equally there are sections that would need to change more often and would thus mess with the ability to stick to a lo…

Today it's mostly "all-or-nothing" at the panel level, but under the hood there's already a lot of cleverness trying to approximate the behavior you're describing

Re: LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

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Dell needs to sell these XPS. The AI button doesn't do the trick, so battery life may do it.

What's the real-world battery life though? My mac gets 8 hours real world; 16 in benchmarks; 24 claimed by apple. Assuming the xps has the same size battery, and this really reduces power consumption by 48%, I'd expect 16 hours real world, 32 in benchmarks and 48 in some workload Dell can cherry pick.

I put my MBP in low power mode when using the battery and I get easily 12-15 hours with my full dev environment running.

Re: LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

#143

Sorry, might be obvious to some, but is that rate applied to the whole screen or can certain parts be limited to 1Hz whilst others are at a higher rate? The ability to vary it seems like it would be valuable as there are significant portions of a screen that remain fairly static for longer periods but equally there are sections that would need to change more often and would thus mess with the ability to stick to a lo…

From what I understand, the laptop will reduce the refresh rate (of the entire display) to as low as 1Hz if what is being displayed effectively “allows” it. For example: - reading an article with intermittent scrolling - typing with periodic breaks

Who “decides” the frame rate? Does the gpu keep sending data and the monitor checks to determine when pixels change?

Re: LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

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How often is that used? Is there a way to check? With the amount of bullshit animations all OSes come with these days, enabled by default, and most applications being webapp with their own secondary layer of animations, and with the typical developer's near-zero familiarity with how floating point numbers behave, I imagine there's nearly always some animation somewhere, almost but not quite eased to a stop, that's ma…

Normally, your posts are very coherent, but this one flies on the rails. (Half joking: Did someone hack your account!?) I don't understand your rant here: > With the amount of bullshit animations all OSes come with these days, enabled by default, and most applications being webapp with their own secondary layer of animations, and with the typical developer's near-zero familiarity with how floating point numbers behav…

Seriously? What is _this_ comment? TeMPOraL makes perfect sense.

Re: LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

#145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Normally, your posts are very coherent, but this one flies on the rails. (Half joking: Did someone hack your account!?) I don't understand your rant here: > With the amount of bullshit animations all OSes come with these days, enabled by default, and most applications being webapp with their own secondary layer of animations, and with the typical developer's near-zero familiarity with how floating point numbers behav…

Seriously? What is _this_ comment? TeMPOraL makes perfect sense.

LLMs learned that users have post histories? /s

Re: LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

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Copying , Draw() is called 60 times a second .

It isn't for any reasonable UI stack. For instance, the xdamage X11 extension for this was released over 20 years ago. I doubt it was the first.

It was, but xdamage is part of the composting side of the final bitmap image generation, before that final bitmap is clocked out to the display.

The frame buffer, at least the portion of the GPU responsible for reading the frame buffer and shipping the contents out over the port to the display, the communications cable to the display screen itself, and the display screen were still reading, transmitting, and refreshing every pixel of the display at 60hz (or more).

This LG display tech. claims to be able to turn that last portion's speed down to a 1Hz rate from whatever it usually is running at.

Re: LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

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From what I understand, the laptop will reduce the refresh rate (of the entire display) to as low as 1Hz if what is being displayed effectively “allows” it. For example: - reading an article with intermittent scrolling - typing with periodic breaks

Articles have animated ads, though.

Run uBlock Origin and you will have few (and in most cases, none) animated ads.

Re: LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

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> That will help save enormous amounts of power: up to 48 percent on a single charge, Why does refresh rate have such a large impact on power consumption? I understand that the control electronics are 60x more active at 60 Hz than 1 Hz, but shouldn't the light emission itself be the dominant source of power consumption by far?

It doesn't. They take extreme use cases such as watching video until the battery depletes at maximum brightness where 90% of power consumption is the display. But in realistic use cases the fraction of power draw consumed by the display is much smaller when the CPU is actually doing things.

Re: LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

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> That will help save enormous amounts of power: up to 48 percent on a single charge, Why does refresh rate have such a large impact on power consumption? I understand that the control electronics are 60x more active at 60 Hz than 1 Hz, but shouldn't the light emission itself be the dominant source of power consumption by far?

It doesn't. They take extreme use cases such as watching video until the battery depletes at maximum brightness where 90% of power consumption is the display. But in realistic use cases the fraction of power draw consumed by the display is much smaller when the CPU is actually doing things.

For whatever reason I keep catching my macbook on max brightness. Maybe not an unrealistic test.

Re: LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

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I used to be a display architect about 15 years back (for Qualcomm mirasol, et al), so my knowledge of the specifics / numbers is outdated. Sharing what I know. High pixel density displays have disproportionately higher display refresh power (not just proportional to the total number of pixels as the column lines capacitances need to be driven again for writing each row of pixels). This was an important concern as hi…

Since you are knowledgable about this, do you have any idea what happened to Mirasol technology? I was fascinated by those colour e-paper like displays, and disappointed when plans to manufacture it was shelved. Then I learnt Apple purchased it but it looks more like a patent padding purchase than for tech development as nothing has come out of it form Apple too. Is it in some way still being developed or parts of it…

Being a key technology architect for it (not the core inventor), I know all about it, and then some more!

I cannot however talk publicly about it. :-(

It has been a disappointment for me as well. I had worked on it for nearly eight years. The idea was so interesting--using thin-film interference for creating images is akin to shaping Newton's rings into arbitrary images, something which even Newton would not have imagined! The demos and comparisons we had shown to various industry leaders and sometimes publicly were often instantly compelling. The people/engineers in the team were mostly the best I have ever worked with, and with whom I still maintain a great connection. But unfortunately, there were problems (not saying how much tech how much people) that were recognized by some but never got (timely) addressed. And a tech like it does not exist till date.

I do not think anything on it is being developed further.

The earliest of the patents would have expired by now.

Liquavista, Pixtronics, etc., have been alternative display technologies that also ultimately didn't make the impact desired, AFAIK.

Meanwhile, LCDs developed high pixel densities (which led to pressures on mirasol tech too), Plasma got sidelined. EInk displays have since then made good progress, though, in my opinion, are still far from colors and speeds that mirasol had. And of course, OLED, Quantum dots, ...

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