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Post by goosejuice »

majormajor wrote: post #78
stackghost wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is but a symptom of an underlying sickness. Things won't magically go back to normal after he dies.

Very few other people have Trump's ability to channel frustration in a nonspecific-but-charismatic way that connects the various extreme factions of the American right. None of those factions will be gone, but their battles will weaken their cause more than they have since 2016. Some of this can be seen by how even his own popularity falls any time he actually has power, since there are no effective ideas there, only…

The extreme factions of the right are a very small portion of the electorate. They generally don't decide elections beyond the primaries and generally turn out in favor of the right regardless.

Dems lean more on moderates/independents. Trump won because he persuaded that group, particularly the young men.

https://www.thirdway.org/memo/why-republicans-can-win-with-t...

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Post by mcphage »

JPKab wrote: post #118
dotancohen wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I worked in the Pentagon for 10 years, and got my beak wet with neural nets there very early, back when we were using Playstation 3s for their GPUs. I was staunchly against the Iraq war, but even when Bush was president I didn't let it compromise my patriotism. The amount of people on here who ignore the fact that Iran was the primary enabler of Hamas' attack on 10/7/23, and therefore sowed the seeds of the destructi…

> Basically, if Trump does a thing, they are against it, independent of the thing.

Because on top of doing terrible things, the non-terrible things he does, he does incredibly badly.

> There is no principle, just reactionary hatred.

No, we’re all good little Bayesians around here.

> If Biden had launched this war, none of these people would have had a problem with it.

You’re really missing what’s going on here. The reason that people liked Biden is that he would not have launched this war.

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Post by gotwaz »

mattoxic wrote: post #115
gotwaz wrote: post #104

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They dont have all the skills to do anything super complex in a sustainable way. Already proved in the first term. What their existence demonstrates is winning election is not super complex if you can find enough groups to precisely target and pander/capture attention. Social media has been a force multiplier for such behavior and the people that have emerged dont have any other skill other than attention capture. Bu…

They dont have all the skills to do anything super complex in a sustainable way. And that's stopped them?

We know the answer. Whats stopping ebola or a hurricane from over running everything?

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Post by nozzlegear »

stackghost wrote: post #28
mrbombastic wrote: post #11

Crazy how effective at making everything worse this admin has been.

Trump is but a symptom of an underlying sickness. Things won't magically go back to normal after he dies.

Could you enlighten the class as to what you believe the underlying sickness is?

Re: Department of State advises Americans worldwide to exercise increased caution

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Post by nozzlegear »

michaelhoney wrote: post #64
stackghost wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is but a symptom of an underlying sickness. Things won't magically go back to normal after he dies.

It will be a lot harder to convince voters when he's gone... if the US still has elections

Why wouldn't it?

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Post by zzrrt »

dotancohen wrote: post #109
tombert wrote: post #85

What the fuck was even the intended purpose of starting this war in Iran? Like in their mind, what was the best case scenario?

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But Trump already obliterated their nuclear capacity last year! Were they lying then or now?

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Post by terminalshort »

engcoach wrote: post #136
dotancohen wrote: post #109

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That’s going to age as well as weapons of mass destruction in Iraq did. The reality is that only Israel was threatened by Iran and the US is caught up in it simply because we act as their vassal.

The fact that Iran has now launched missiles at civilian areas in a dozen or so countries unrelated to the war shows that this is clearly false.

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Post by stackghost »

JeremyNT wrote: post #137
stackghost wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is but a symptom of an underlying sickness. Things won't magically go back to normal after he dies.

Having somebody less incompetent, senile, and corrupt at the helm may not make things "magically go back to normal," but it's a step in the right direction. Necessary but not sufficient. Perhaps you'll be explicit though, what is the "sickness" you perceive?

>Perhaps you'll be explicit though, what is the "sickness" you perceive?

It's that a significant number of Americans are mean, selfish, racist, arrogant, and delight in the victimization of those they perceive as belonging to an outgroup.

2/3 of your electorate either voted for him (meaning they liked what they saw) or were sufficiently unbothered by him to not vote (meaning they were more or less okay with Trump).

These crocodile tears about how "we were bamboozled" are just that. It was plainly obvious to the rest of us looking in from outside, even before his first term but certainly after, that he was exactly the person he is now, and fully two thirds of American voters accepted this.

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Post by incze »

JPKab wrote: post #124
ggm wrote: post #94

Would the current state of affairs qualify for cancelling the mid-terms? Is that overly cynical? Not in the US, not a US citizen or voter. My suspicion is the answer is "no, but it is not a given that a competent supreme court which looks likely to overturn the WH exists, if they say they want to do this"

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seems from outside, that many things happen, that's never happened in the entire history of this country, as your prez says many times a day, that "you've never seen before".

otoh, i saw ice agents to murder a super aggresive protester, who was actually trying to help a super aggressive woman dumped to the earth by ice agents, from many angle. also, and i followed minnesotans aggressively filming everywhere what happens to them. and i saw, how aggressive they were to bovino and co.

so, i really understand your rant.

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Post by terminalshort »

bdangubic wrote: post #20

I got jumped in Italy couple of weeks ago. I was wearing a "volleyball dad" hoodie my kid bought for me but did not realize that the "volleyball dad" is etched in the middle of a large American flag covering my entire back. Luckily (for him, not me :) ) three police officers were 10 meters away walking the area dealing with apre ski drunks and restrained him. fun times

Didn't happen
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