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Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Post by anal_reactor »

kstrauser wrote: post #114
anal_reactor wrote: post #110

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> Many of us are mature enough to follow the principle of, "if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything." This isn't maturity, this is selfishness. A group often benefits from someone challenging the status quo, but the individual doing that gets punished. In your view, Germans during WW2 were "mature" by not saying anything that wasn't nice about nazism, and nowadays Russians are "mature" when they d…

I might generalize this as “push against actions, not personalities”. Don’t like someone because you just don’t mesh? Keep your mouth shut. You have a different outlook than they do, and yours is as wrong from their POV as theirs is from yours. Someone you think is interesting and fun to be around does something bad? Resist it.

It happens very rarely that there's someone I don't like as a person but I know they're competent in their domain. Sure, it does happen, but it's very rare.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Post by anal_reactor »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #124
anal_reactor wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Many of us are mature enough to follow the principle of, "if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything." This isn't maturity, this is selfishness. A group often benefits from someone challenging the status quo, but the individual doing that gets punished. In your view, Germans during WW2 were "mature" by not saying anything that wasn't nice about nazism, and nowadays Russians are "mature" when they d…

There's a difference between criticism and personal insults, and honestly if you can't tell the difference you might be a liability for your employer.

In a perfect world yes. In reality, people often take offense in being criticized. Or ignore the feedback until the situation becomes disastrously bad.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Post by wiseowise »

breppp wrote: post #34

Is it really surprising she was fired? It's completely okay to say whatever you want and stand up for yourself, but you are not a child, own the consequences rather than whine

Man, you really need to take care of that tongue, CEO boots are getting spikier and spikier.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Post by Woshiwuja »

mettamage wrote: post #46
triceratops wrote: post #37

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No using the legal process if you think your company is violating the law is also part of "stand up for yourself". If a rich guy can't take some minor criticism maybe he's the whiner.

This assumes that you think people operate on principles. As the years go on, it feels that people in the top seem to mostly operate on money. The CEO has money and the power to fire that person if the employee is disliked. Maybe that shouldn't be a thing, maybe it should be illegal, but they'll find a way around it. Just because they can means that they will. I wish it wasn't like that but that's how I see things ar…

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Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Post by tpm »

array_key_first wrote: post #126
Henchman21 wrote: post #102

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Confluence? I know most people really want a hard-to-use wiki with a special markdown flavor to write up things that instantly go stale, never to be reviewed again. Or, at least that's the only way I've really seen Confluence used?

I love confluence because it has the worst search engine I've ever used. I used to think TikTok search was the worst: no matter what you typed, you would get only videos of people dancing. World's largest rock? Here's 12 videos of people dancing the renegade. 2020 election? Here's a video of someone dressed like Donald Trump dancing the renegade. Gatorade? Surely you meant the renegade, right? Here's some videos of p…

If any half-competent developer tried to write his first search engine it would be better than that of Confluence. It's unbelievable.

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Post by tpm »

dcrazy wrote: post #120
Henchman21 wrote: post #102

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Confluence? I know most people really want a hard-to-use wiki with a special markdown flavor to write up things that instantly go stale, never to be reviewed again. Or, at least that's the only way I've really seen Confluence used?

You can fail to maintain a wiki written in any software. The value of Confluence is when everyone uses it, so there’s one place to find info to answer questions like “why the hell did we do it this way?”

The tricky part of that is the 'find' phase, as Confluence has a comically bad search.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Post by croon »

dcrazy wrote: post #120
Henchman21 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Confluence? I know most people really want a hard-to-use wiki with a special markdown flavor to write up things that instantly go stale, never to be reviewed again. Or, at least that's the only way I've really seen Confluence used?

You can fail to maintain a wiki written in any software. The value of Confluence is when everyone uses it, so there’s one place to find info to answer questions like “why the hell did we do it this way?”

Yes, but it's easier to fail when the markdown (or NIH markdown in the case of Confluence) is far removed from the code it describes. Which is why you should document closer to the products. Markdown files living by your code and even generated from code is way better than any experience I've had with Confluence (which is closing up on two decades soon enough).

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Post by nojvek »

Always wondered why Atlassian was so big. Their software is utter garbage. Slow, clunky.

They don’t treat their employees well. Now with all the AI slop, it seems they don’t know what good software is.

Yeah if you have option to move away from Atlassian, you should do so.

Modern tools like Claude code have the ability to craft and bring dreams to reality.

Atlassian is old school. Their rich CEOs no longer care about good software. They are rent extractors.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Post by kstrauser »

anal_reactor wrote: post #141
kstrauser wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might generalize this as “push against actions, not personalities”. Don’t like someone because you just don’t mesh? Keep your mouth shut. You have a different outlook than they do, and yours is as wrong from their POV as theirs is from yours. Someone you think is interesting and fun to be around does something bad? Resist it.

It happens very rarely that there's someone I don't like as a person but I know they're competent in their domain. Sure, it does happen, but it's very rare.

For real? I’ve known all sorts of brilliant bastards. Or even people who weren’t actually jerks, just incompatible with me in an oil and water sort of way, like they were exceedingly uptight, or so happy-go-lucky that they thought I was the uptight one. We just didn’t get along at all, but they weren’t bad people, and certainly not incompetent, just not a good pairing with me.

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Post by Arainach »

mlhpdx wrote: post #71
nraynaud wrote: post #43

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Wouldn't she have the excuse of truth as defense?

It’s simply satire, not “truth”. The statement doesn’t claim any fact: it’s a hypotheical not unlike a “based on real events” movie/book/etc that never quotes or attributes specific actions to a subject. And that’s why Atlassian is very likely to lose over and over as they appeal (but never say never these days in the US).

Was the CEO dialing in from the headquarters of an NBA team they owned? Yes.

Were they calling to aggressively dismiss employee claims (without video I cannot prove "yelling", but that is a way that word is used in common parlance)? Yes.

Does downleveling employees have a significant negative impact on their careers? Yes.

This wasn't satire, it was truth.

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