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Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by hakrgrl »

pell wrote: post #134
hakrgrl wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really agree with rooting against the USA just because you don't like the president. An Islamist Iran with nukes is a scary proposition. I'm glad someone is finally doing something about it rather than sending palettes of cash on an jet to radical Muslims.

The way you describe the alternative option seems not very good faith.

Obama actually did this in 2016.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-...

> Washington CNN — The Obama administration secretly arranged a plane delivery of $400 million in cash on the same day Iran released four American prisoners and formally implemented the nuclear deal, US officials confirmed Wednesday.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by andrepd »

austin-cheney wrote: post #131
flyinglizard wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's it? Momentary gasoline price is all that matters now? Not geopolitical interests, alliances, _Doing The Right Thing_? If that's the only angle you care about, then US subduing the Iranian regime would go a long way to de-facto dissolving OPEC and bring much more flexibility to oil prices.

I would say gasoline is not all that matters. This has also made clear Israel is not a US ally. They are a disobedient client state. Given how much money the US has given Israel compared to how tiny their GDP is it is also clear the US financially owns Israel. If I were US president I would annex Israel so that they no longer determine US foreign policy. Of course Israel would agree to be annexed because otherwise th…

> They are a disobedient client state

Who, the US? Quite obedient I'd say.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by nullzzz »

hakrgrl wrote: post #99
nullzzz wrote: post #65

Well done! I don’t quite agree with making fun of the situation that’s deadly serious to many innocent people. Yet I’m sure the intentions of the author were good. Hoping for peace.

I don't really agree with rooting against the USA just because you don't like the president. An Islamist Iran with nukes is a scary proposition. I'm glad someone is finally doing something about it rather than sending palettes of cash on an jet to radical Muslims.

I don’t think I mentioned USA nor took a side.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by skeeter2020 »

lukan wrote: post #69
flyinglizard wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's it? Momentary gasoline price is all that matters now? Not geopolitical interests, alliances, _Doing The Right Thing_? If that's the only angle you care about, then US subduing the Iranian regime would go a long way to de-facto dissolving OPEC and bring much more flexibility to oil prices.

Oh, now worries, I can take my bicycle or train whenever possible (like right now). And since I am european, I do not just worry about gasoline, but also that the US actually might attack us at some point, Trump did threaten again over greenland and the last time - it was not just words, danish troops took it serious and were ready to shoot. " https://www.euractiv.com/news/denmark-considered-destroying-... " Unpleasa…

Europe can't yet heat all the homes in winter with renewables and the heat cast from a smug sense of self-satisfaction, so I wouldn't celebrate yet.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by enlightenedfool »

flyinglizard wrote: post #91
malfist wrote: post #88

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What part of "doing the right thing" is bombing an all girls school?

Do you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon, saw that school, said "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" and pressed the button? Or are you trying to pollute a grown up conversation with sensationalism and punchy hooks? In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives.

Good try. When you are complicit in genocide in Gaza, destroy multiple countries on pretext of democracy and human rights, start wars with blatant lies, the "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" is actually being kind.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by zimpenfish »

lukan wrote: post #113
flyinglizard wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon, saw that school, said "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" and pressed the button? Or are you trying to pollute a grown up conversation with sensationalism and punchy hooks? In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives.

Yes, mistakes can happen. But when you use autonomous targeting systems (with "human oversight" in theory) and tell your soldiers: "no stupid rules of engagement,” “no politically correct wars,” and “no nation-building quagmire.” (Hegseth) And the top commander says that he would intentionally kill the families of terrorists if voted into power: https://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-ter... Then at…

"Maximum lethality, not tepid legality"

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by nutjob2 »

flyinglizard wrote: post #91
malfist wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of "doing the right thing" is bombing an all girls school?

Do you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon, saw that school, said "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" and pressed the button? Or are you trying to pollute a grown up conversation with sensationalism and punchy hooks? In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives.

Sometimes a mistake is negligence. If you're going to use lethal force it's a good idea to check your facts first. It's been a school for years, how was that missed?

None of that happened because the US was unprepared for this war. It was Bibi's idea and Trump is weak and incompetent so he just went along with it, ironically because he thought it would avoid making him look weak and incompetent.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by skeeter2020 »

nullzzz wrote: post #65

Well done! I don’t quite agree with making fun of the situation that’s deadly serious to many innocent people. Yet I’m sure the intentions of the author were good. Hoping for peace.

Comedy and satire is a long-established method of political critique, and is often the only or last available way. It's not making fun of the situation, rather pointing out the pain & sufferring in the face of absurdity.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by watwut »

flyinglizard wrote: post #91
malfist wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of "doing the right thing" is bombing an all girls school?

Do you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon, saw that school, said "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" and pressed the button? Or are you trying to pollute a grown up conversation with sensationalism and punchy hooks? In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives.

Have you heard Hegseth speeches lately? Or Trumps?

Like, yes, evil military planners did sat down and said "rules of engagement are woke, the working groups handling civilian safety are waste of money, be maximum lethal".

Also, they had no stable military objectives except "make my insecure masculinity feel manly".

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by Forgeties79 »

flyinglizard wrote: post #91
malfist wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of "doing the right thing" is bombing an all girls school?

Do you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon, saw that school, said "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" and pressed the button? Or are you trying to pollute a grown up conversation with sensationalism and punchy hooks? In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives.

Would you be so calm if someone made a mistake with your kid’s school?

I have heard more than one Trump-defender say “well they would have grown up to attack us.”

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