Is this how the US falls behind? Missing technological improvements due to blind disagreements with Chinese/etc, combined with inability to update infrastructure? (Unclear how/why but datacenters being stood up so quickly seems like an exception to US’s bad construction)
How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps
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Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps
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It's how Europe falls behind, you mean. Why do they always get left out of the comparisons? Because they're so far behind anything it would be an insult to include them?
Maybe, but BMW are at least trying. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/electric-cars/electric-3-... At least the Chinese tech will be available to European consumers, nothing says insecure like pretending a competitor doesn't exist.
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In a word, yes. In a few words, yes that's the entire situation summary. No long term strategy exists for the entire country.
There might be no industrial long term planning, but I think it’s because the US operates in a different mode — financial (late) Capitalism.
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#144Although the thought of getting an electric car has passed through my mind on a few occasions, I'm not 100% familiar with the intricate technical details. (for some reason, the tax incentives where I live are still in favor of continuing with the small petrol car I have. Taxes are primarily a function of weight in the Netherlands, and anything besides a lightweight Dacia Spring would imply significantly higher monthl…
Rule of thumb for modern EVs is to not care about the battery at all. They are expected to last longer than the car. I would doubt even faster charging significantly changes this, or if it does it’s worth the trade off to those who need it.
My only EV was a 1Gen Nissan Leaf, which is a perfect example of the EV that violates your assumptions.
Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps
#145The rest of the infra is fine if that can be done. Array of batteries and/or capacitors at the supply point and draw continuously from the grid.
Most entertainingly run a diesel generator on site if that doesn't work out. Lines up well with basing them at the existing fuel stations, got the diesel supply already sorted out.
Put a bunch of solar near it when you can. Maybe sell back to grid, nice to have the extra capacity available.
All comes down to capital deployment at that point. Do the calculations on how much to charge for slow car charge vs fast charge, fallback to slow with an apology/discount when the infra is struggling etc.
Huge news. Iff the cars don't catch fire when plugged in.
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I think you'd have to be a bit ignorant of very recent history to think that America is some cesspool of lack of innovation in the electric car industry. They invented it, despite there being no competition at the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_electric_vehicl...
The most important component in an EV is the battery. The lithium ion battery made electric cars practical.
So you could say Sony invented the electric car industry by being the first to commercialize lithium ion batteries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_lithium-ion_bat...
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What is that “choice”? Surely you aren’t like those yokels in the south that think a “militia” running in the woods can take on the the US military or even a decent SWAT force
Being willing to fight for what you think is right even though there is no hope of winning is a choice you can make without being a tacticool yokel that doesn't understand the tech gap between the people and their masters.
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It’s highly impractical to import cars less than 25 years old into the US for anything beyond “show & display” licensing, and that’s only for select models. Modifying them to meet US safety standards and then getting them approved is arduous and expensive, especially if there’s no comparable US model to emulate / borrow parts.
If they're new they could just be built to pass US safety standards, BYD vehicles perform well on safety ratings and I imagine that's what their strategy has been. Sure still have to go through the procedures but the hard part is done once the regulatory blocks are removed.
BYD currently has no dealer network in the US. $0 marketing spend. $0 on regulatory compliance. These things are all very expensive, especially in the United States for a new entrant. Even moreso for one that has to overcome concerns about Made in China.
Add even 25% for tariffs, and BYD’s vehicles would have to be sold for significantly more than they’re sold today in (say) Sydney, let alone what they sell for in Shanghai.
Not that they couldn’t grow into a competitive player. The Koreans did, they’re kicking ass in the US these days. But it took a long time and a ton of investment.
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Research on the current EVs shows that they degrade by on average 2.3 % of original capacity a year, but there is a strong dependency on how much the vehicle is used and how often it is DC fast charged, i.e. there is time based degradation and usage based degradation. Low use vehicles have degradation of 1.5 % a year, heavily used vehicles mostly slow charged had degradation of 2.2 % a year and heavily used vehicles…
Where does "20 years" come from? What's wrong with "10 years"? At the 200,000 mile mark battery life is expected to be ~85%. That's what actual data shows. 200,000 is 13 years of driving 15,000 miles a year. https://recharged.com/articles/tesla-model-y-battery-degrada...
The whole LFP chemistry is pretty new, on automotive timescales, and lot of the older data on degradation comes from the first few generations of Nissan Leaf, which did not have battery heating and cooling.