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Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

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Post by mjr00 »

_zoltan_ wrote: post #132
mjr00 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No they didn't. You can see all the commits as this was built iteratively[0]. This project started development on Saturday morning and now it's here. This is pretty common now, people love to rapidly throw together stuff and show it off a few days later. The only thing different about this from your average Show HN sloppa is that it's living under the NVIDIA Github org, though that also has 700+ repositories[1] in it…

it's the new norm that you put together stuff, it works and you show it off. all the naysayers, "senior" engineers who haven't done any assisted coding by Claude/codex, just need to get either with the program or it's time to retire, as this is just the beginning. if you can't ship stuff in days then I have some bad news for you.

> it's the new norm that you put together stuff, it works and you show it off.

You're probably right, but it'd be nice if the new norm were you put together stuff quickly using AI-assisted coding, you use it yourself and iterate on the product for a while as you discover things you dislike/features you want/etc, and then you share it with the world.

It seems like everyone wants to skip the second step. Most of the "Show HN" sloppa that gets built in a few days and shared here ends up abandoned immediately after.

Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

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Post by angry_octet »

madeofpalk wrote: post #78
Netcob wrote: post #65

Am I missing something? Why is everyone talking about sandboxes when it comes to OpenClaw? To me it's like giving your dog a stack of important documents, then being worried he might eat them, so you put the dog in a crate, together with the documents. I thought the whole problem with that idea was that in order for the agent to be useful, you have to connect it to your calendar, your e-mail provider and other servic…

I'm putting my dog in his crate with all my important documents, but leaving my fine china tableware in the cupboard away from the dog.

You start with one teacup in the crate and before you know it you're merging handle redesigns back to the entire fine china cupboard.

Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

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Post by jatora »

Netcob wrote: post #65

Am I missing something? Why is everyone talking about sandboxes when it comes to OpenClaw? To me it's like giving your dog a stack of important documents, then being worried he might eat them, so you put the dog in a crate, together with the documents. I thought the whole problem with that idea was that in order for the agent to be useful, you have to connect it to your calendar, your e-mail provider and other servic…

Yes you're missing something. The crate is so your dog doesn't eat the documents you dont want it to mess with

Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

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Post by angry_octet »

Iolaum wrote: post #6
cactusplant7374 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Secure installation isn't the main problem with OpenClaw. This project doesn't seem to be solving a real problem. Of course the real problem is giving an LLM access to everything and hoping for the best.

While I don't have OpenClaw installed and not sure how I 'd use it I doubt all the hype around it is because it doesn't solve a real problem. The project grew to huge popularity organically!!! How can that happen if it doesn't serve a need people have?

Driving without seatbelts while drunk is actually quite popular too.

Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

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Post by SkyBelow »

g947o wrote: post #10
Iolaum wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I don't have OpenClaw installed and not sure how I 'd use it I doubt all the hype around it is because it doesn't solve a real problem. The project grew to huge popularity organically!!! How can that happen if it doesn't serve a need people have?

Maybe let me ask this question: How is this any different from NFT?

NFTs were fueled by two different drives. One interested in the technology and if it could do something new and interesting, and another seeing it as an area of speculation (be that fueled by get rich quick and cash out or thinking it is a long term investment generally driven by how much the first factor played in).

OpenClaw seems to lack the monetary interest driving it as much. Not to say there is none, but I don't see people doing nearly as much to get me to buy their OpenClaw.

So, yes, on some level, hype alone doesn't prove use, because it can also be because of making money. But, on the other hand, the specific version of hype seems much more focused on the "Look at what I built" and much less on "Better buy in now" from the builders themselves. Of course the API providers selling tokens are loving it for financial reasons.

Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

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Post by mkagenius »

hector_vasquez wrote: post #109
Netcob wrote: post #65

Am I missing something? Why is everyone talking about sandboxes when it comes to OpenClaw? To me it's like giving your dog a stack of important documents, then being worried he might eat them, so you put the dog in a crate, together with the documents. I thought the whole problem with that idea was that in order for the agent to be useful, you have to connect it to your calendar, your e-mail provider and other servic…

> Am I missing something? You are indeed missing a TON. A lot of Open Claw users don't give it everything. We give it specific access to a group of things it needs to do the things we want. If I want an agent to sit there 24/7 maximizing uptime of my service, I give it access to certain data, the GitHub repo with PR privileges, and maybe even permissions to restart the service. All of this has to be very thoughtful a…

You could do that with say Claude Code too with rather much simpler set up.

OPs question was more around sandboxes though. To which, I would say that it's to limit unintended actions on host machine.

Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

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Post by gradus_ad »

observationist wrote: post #133
Netcob wrote: post #65

Am I missing something? Why is everyone talking about sandboxes when it comes to OpenClaw? To me it's like giving your dog a stack of important documents, then being worried he might eat them, so you put the dog in a crate, together with the documents. I thought the whole problem with that idea was that in order for the agent to be useful, you have to connect it to your calendar, your e-mail provider and other servic…

What makes it even better is that these dogs are like Malinois. If they want to get into something, they will; people have had their entire network compromised by bots they left running overnight, and any important information like account logins and so on runs the risk of being misused. It's one thing to sandbox, maybe give the bot a temporary, limited $100 card or account to go perform a specific task, but there's…

> "Claw bots seem to be a weird sort of alternate reality RPG more than a useful tool, so far."

So basically crypto DeFi/Web3/Metaverse delusion redux

Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

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Post by vagrantJin »

observationist wrote: post #133
Netcob wrote: post #65

Am I missing something? Why is everyone talking about sandboxes when it comes to OpenClaw? To me it's like giving your dog a stack of important documents, then being worried he might eat them, so you put the dog in a crate, together with the documents. I thought the whole problem with that idea was that in order for the agent to be useful, you have to connect it to your calendar, your e-mail provider and other servic…

What makes it even better is that these dogs are like Malinois. If they want to get into something, they will; people have had their entire network compromised by bots they left running overnight, and any important information like account logins and so on runs the risk of being misused. It's one thing to sandbox, maybe give the bot a temporary, limited $100 card or account to go perform a specific task, but there's…

Shrimp charities is a genius angle.

Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

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Post by tempest_ »

gradus_ad wrote: post #147
observationist wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes it even better is that these dogs are like Malinois. If they want to get into something, they will; people have had their entire network compromised by bots they left running overnight, and any important information like account logins and so on runs the risk of being misused. It's one thing to sandbox, maybe give the bot a temporary, limited $100 card or account to go perform a specific task, but there's…

> "Claw bots seem to be a weird sort of alternate reality RPG more than a useful tool, so far." So basically crypto DeFi/Web3/Metaverse delusion redux

web 4.0 here we come

Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

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Post by fooker »

empiricus wrote: post #67
Netcob wrote: post #65

Am I missing something? Why is everyone talking about sandboxes when it comes to OpenClaw? To me it's like giving your dog a stack of important documents, then being worried he might eat them, so you put the dog in a crate, together with the documents. I thought the whole problem with that idea was that in order for the agent to be useful, you have to connect it to your calendar, your e-mail provider and other servic…

you put the dog in crate with a COPY of your documents.

Step 2 -

you put the dog in crate with a COW of your documents

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