I think Java became popular because of Sun. My experience with Java-based apps is bad. Laggy, resource-heavy, IDE bound, and it causes premature hardware performance degradation.
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#142the people that work on Java & the JVM are very smart. it has become a best of breed language - hell its better than Go for industry purposes. the drawback with Java will always be the CULTURE - (maybe someone can insert a quote of how in physics progress is only made, when old physicist die - I don't wanna be morbid ) but with Java same that's when the culture will change. All those people using typescript (could be…
> hell its better than Go for industry purposes Yet if you ask people in the bay area, especially the those who are under 35, they would tell you that "Use Java? Over my deadbody". It's just amazing that people always chase shiny new things.
Right because golang is like 2 years old and new o.O
Re: Java 26 is here
#143the people that work on Java & the JVM are very smart. it has become a best of breed language - hell its better than Go for industry purposes. the drawback with Java will always be the CULTURE - (maybe someone can insert a quote of how in physics progress is only made, when old physicist die - I don't wanna be morbid ) but with Java same that's when the culture will change. All those people using typescript (could be…
> for not embracing religion of OOP and FactoryFactory Not the case today. Of course, crappy code (or questionable patterns) can be found in all languages, and java community had made some innovations in the area early on, but today we have a different picture. FactoryFactory has gone mostly extinct, the most likely place to see it is “dailywtf.com”. We now know that we prefer composition over inheritance, we have st…
It's still going to be hard to overcome the stigma of ex-Java developers coming into other languages and bringing their overly complex ideas with them. But I am happy to hear Java itself is evolving and I hope that limits the downstream effects of it being one of the most popular language a lot of devs start on.
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#144Do changes to Java itself impact e.g. Clojure? I think it uses many java primitives instead of emitting jvm byte code but I can be wrong.
Yes, kind of... for instance you can use Virtual Threads now from Clojure:
https://clojure.org/news/2026/03/11/async_virtual_threads
I'm pretty sure all of Clojure runs on Java 8, so if you use some new feature I'm guessing you need to provide a fallback - but you're also going to be running on Javascript and other platforms, so that's par for the course
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I never want to read another Bean or log4j config ever again.
Didn't they all switch to convention over configuration and dependency injection so now your configuration is your source code?
Some people did but that's actually worse. Your configuration comes magically out of nowhere and when it breaks you can't fix it.
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#146Do changes to Java itself impact e.g. Clojure? I think it uses many java primitives instead of emitting jvm byte code but I can be wrong.
Sometimes, yes. E.g. if the value types stuff ever gets implemented, that will be very useful for other JVM languages. OTOH some changes are purely syntax sugar in Java itself (e.g. allowing multiline string literals) and those of course don't affect any other JVM language.
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#147the people that work on Java & the JVM are very smart. it has become a best of breed language - hell its better than Go for industry purposes. the drawback with Java will always be the CULTURE - (maybe someone can insert a quote of how in physics progress is only made, when old physicist die - I don't wanna be morbid ) but with Java same that's when the culture will change. All those people using typescript (could be…
As a Go developer, this is right on the mark. I’ve been hearing good things about Java lately, so I decided to check out the language for the first time since 2012 or something. And I was impressed!
The language maintainers have added so many great features while maintaining backwards compatibility. And slowly but surely improved the JVM and garbage collection. So after toying around for a bit, I decided to write some personal projects in Java.
After a week, I gave up and returned to Go. The build tooling is still an over engineered mess. Third party library APIs are still horrible. I will never invest even 5 minutes in learning that horrible Spring framework when stuff like Django, Rails, or the Go ecosystem exist.
The community, and thus the online forums and open source libraries, still approach engineering and aesthetics in a way that is completely foreign and off putting to me.
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#148the people that work on Java & the JVM are very smart. it has become a best of breed language - hell its better than Go for industry purposes. the drawback with Java will always be the CULTURE - (maybe someone can insert a quote of how in physics progress is only made, when old physicist die - I don't wanna be morbid ) but with Java same that's when the culture will change. All those people using typescript (could be…
And Java has some advantages that are hard to beat. It performs better than Go and builds just as fast (at least when not using some popular build tools) while offering unmatched deep, low-overhead observability. People might think they may enjoy another language more, but the portion of people who eventually come to regret choosing Java is probably lower than that of any other language.
> and builds just as fast
Source? I'm not saying you're lying but I have never seen any Java project build as fast as Go
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I've used Java decades ago (anyone remember servlet?) and I'm glad that I can use flutter for Android development.
I do really need to give flutter a try. My only reason I haven't yet is that I have no desire to learn Dart. How do you (or anyone) like Dart compared to Java or Kotlin?
Went from c# to flutter and it was easy.
The new concepts for me were using immutable classes with the keyword "final", and the whole concept of state management in mobile apps because I've mainly done backend.
I've only used kotlin in the android files for flutter but nothing else.
I'm also not totally objective on that because my Java experience is from a long long time ago, my general feeling is that flutter is less bloated than java.
And I don't want to start a culture war on this, because we all know turbo Pascal is the best.
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And Java has some advantages that are hard to beat. It performs better than Go and builds just as fast (at least when not using some popular build tools) while offering unmatched deep, low-overhead observability. People might think they may enjoy another language more, but the portion of people who eventually come to regret choosing Java is probably lower than that of any other language.
> and builds just as fast Source? I'm not saying you're lying but I have never seen any Java project build as fast as Go
Use javac directly, in a recent JDK, to compile lots of files at once (i.e. one invocation of javac to compile multiple files) and you'll see. The speed is over 100,000 lines/sec: https://mill-build.org/blog/1-java-compile.html