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Post by dvh »

blakblakarak wrote: post #37
retrac98 wrote: post #19

My parents generation are the most screen addicted people I know. Absolute slaves to Facebook’s algorithm. It’s really disheartening to see.

My Dad’s got early stage dementia and Facebook is an absolute nightmare. The apps infested with AI slop and the algorithm seems to fill his feed with stuff designed to get him worked up (currently badly behaved cyclists even though he no longer drives).

I have hoarded 61849 short videos (44 GB, filtered, no propaganda, spam or low quality stuff) from 9gag, with this you could build a "Fakebook" of your own and serve your parents whatever you want, I randomly picked 5 videos:

- funny cat video

- superfluid helium document from 60s

- people jumping on a roof and falling through

- abba sos song (in Swedish, or Esperanto, idk)

- kid saving bus driver with stroke

Analyze them with LLM, generate positive comments and you're good to go.

Re: Grandparents are glued to their phones [video]

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Post by watwut »

carlosjobim wrote: post #120
lotsofpulp wrote: post #116

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Daughter in laws butting heads with mother in laws (and father in laws) is a story portrayed in many cultures’ popular tv shows/movies. As are parents who own everything on paper, making them the ones with actual power, butting heads with their children. It is only in the previous 100 years where young people all over the world have the power to support themselves without anyone else’s help, which is why the preferen…

Young people have always had the power to support themselves without anybody's help. That's how life has worked for billions of years now. It is only very recently that the industrialized world became completely financialized, so that the cost of life has become artificially increased for the youth. Young people have always moved away from their families for marriage, or for becoming sailors, soldiers, miners, hunter…

> Young people have always had the power to support themselves without anybody's help.

You do not know much about history, do you?

> Young people have always moved away from their families for marriage, or for becoming sailors, soldiers, miners, hunters, lumber jacks, etc.

Eh, for a bulk of history, people stayed in village where they were born. Women moved to husbands house, rarely other way round, but that is basically it. Miners and hungers and lumber jacks did not moved away from village.

And soldiers and sailors were tiny minority.

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Post by Markoff »

antonymoose wrote: post #95
rafaelmn wrote: post #78

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> That’s normal and natural and the parents move onto a new phase too. Is it really ? I would say the "natural" way of things is older generation gets supported by children and they help take care of grandchildren while their children are working. The whole late retirement/both parents working situation we have these days is reliably leading to a population collapse.

Really couldn’t have put it better. When I was a child my grandmother retired and relocated 800 miles to help with my mother with childcare. Why? Because it’s why you do. It’s what all of her family did as far back as anyone could care to remember. This world where your boomer parents retire to a beach house to drink margaritas, smoke designer weed, and play pickleball and ignore their offspring is the real aberratio…

TBH it was also expected trade - you will take care of elderly parents in exchange for their help with kids participation, so since boomer parents don't help they also can't expect help

my (divorced) parents (5+ and 2.5+ hours away by car) didn't help us with kids at all (wife's parents are 7500 km away), but they can't expect I will be taking care of them when they will be really old, after all my father and his sister put their own mother to retirement home, when she could not live alone by herself, so they should kinda expect the same treatment (although I was against it and wanted grandma rather die alone in her house earlier than suffer slightly longer in retirement home without her garden/animals), actually my mother put her mother to retirement home as well, though I think she wanted to go there, it was pretty great facility, it was very small house (studio), each separated part had one occupant with minigarden with meals minutes away + it was also <1km from her old big house, so not much change and not much difference for her since she lived in front of the living room TV anyway

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Post by wao0uuno »

pndy wrote: post #59

Over 3 years ago I was in the hospital - they put me on shared room with other men of various ages. The oldest ones liked to talk for hours, doing all sorts "memberberries", elaborated expertises on current state of European, world affairs. Because what the hell else you can do when you have vertigo or tampons in your nose and you need to lie down. Anyway, the oldest over 80-something man was given some older Samsung…

Touchscreens work worse for older people. Their skin is not as conductive and because of that they often seem to struggle with swiping and gestures.

Re: Grandparents are glued to their phones [video]

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Post by carlosjobim »

watwut wrote: post #142
carlosjobim wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Young people have always had the power to support themselves without anybody's help. That's how life has worked for billions of years now. It is only very recently that the industrialized world became completely financialized, so that the cost of life has become artificially increased for the youth. Young people have always moved away from their families for marriage, or for becoming sailors, soldiers, miners, hunter…

> Young people have always had the power to support themselves without anybody's help. You do not know much about history, do you? > Young people have always moved away from their families for marriage, or for becoming sailors, soldiers, miners, hunters, lumber jacks, etc. Eh, for a bulk of history, people stayed in village where they were born. Women moved to husbands house, rarely other way round, but that is basic…

If you take care to learn about history you will be surprised as to how wrong you are. You are mostly believing in simplified myths.

Of course young adults have always been able to support themselves. If people in their prime can't support themselves, then nobody can. Young adults have always supported themselves + other people.

Take any time period of history and any place, and there is a mobility which will surprise you. Evidence for this is for example the colonization of the New World.

And as I have mentioned: Only the oldest son would inherit the village farm, so the other sons and daughters were often anxious to get moving.

Re: Grandparents are glued to their phones [video]

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Post by graemep »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #104
rafaelmn wrote: post #78

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> That’s normal and natural and the parents move onto a new phase too. Is it really ? I would say the "natural" way of things is older generation gets supported by children and they help take care of grandchildren while their children are working. The whole late retirement/both parents working situation we have these days is reliably leading to a population collapse.

> the "natural" way of things is older generation gets supported by children and they help take care of grandchildre It's an ideal. Structuring society to require it falls down often because: - people have kids later, making them too old to help - disease and addiction can make grandparents unfit - young families often must move to where work is, even if far away - deeply in debted grandparents may be unable to affor…

People have kids later but life but expectancies and health and medicine for older people are far better than they were historically. Not for everyone, but for most people.

The rest all comes down to solvable social and economic problems, mostly as a result of putting short term GDP growth over all else.

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Post by graemep »

mitkebes wrote: post #117
watwut wrote: post #102

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It used to be that YOU help elderly parents. And they they are the patriarch ruling familly and his wife at that time. When the grandma did that help with children, it was at her terms - she was the decision maker to large extend. That arrangement is not working from both sides. Younger generation wants autonomy and expects parents to not try to run things, not to demand more contact then they want etc. Which makes s…

People also used to marry younger and have children sooner. When people were getting married and starting to have kids in their teenage years, it meant that new grandparents would only be in their mid-30s or so. That put them in a much better spot to assist with the grandchildren. Now many people I know are waiting until their 30s to have children, meaning that the grandparents are already 50-60s.

When was that? The average age of marriage in medieval England was early 20s as far as I can find out.

There are cultures where it is usual for grandparents to help where people are having kids in their mid twenties or later.

I know and have known lots of people who are perfectly capable of looking after kids (maybe not full time permanently), but for holidays or during the day, in their 70s or 80s.

In fact standard retirement age (insofar as it still exists) here in the UK is 67 so most people will still be working in their 50s and most of their 60s. It really is not that old.

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Post by graemep »

wisty wrote: post #111
antonymoose wrote: post #103

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It used to be a two way street, actually. The broader family was just that, a unit. Now it’s little independent atomic cells doing whatever with little to no regard for the bigger picture. Ultimatel, it’s the Boomer me generation that broke this tradition. It’s not weird for a millennial to look back and say “How nice of them to have their cake and eat it too” as I raise children alone and deal with the dilemma of ho…

Millenials are the "stereotypical manchild who hates his parents because he's too much like them" generation. (I'm a millenial too)

A large part of both is the professionalisation/outsourcing of child care which weakens family ties.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

carlosjobim wrote: post #146
watwut wrote: post #142

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> Young people have always had the power to support themselves without anybody's help. You do not know much about history, do you? > Young people have always moved away from their families for marriage, or for becoming sailors, soldiers, miners, hunters, lumber jacks, etc. Eh, for a bulk of history, people stayed in village where they were born. Women moved to husbands house, rarely other way round, but that is basic…

If you take care to learn about history you will be surprised as to how wrong you are. You are mostly believing in simplified myths. Of course young adults have always been able to support themselves. If people in their prime can't support themselves, then nobody can. Young adults have always supported themselves + other people. Take any time period of history and any place, and there is a mobility which will surpris…

>Of course young adults have always been able to support themselves. If people in their prime can't support themselves, then nobody can. Young adults have always supported themselves + other people.

Maybe pre-property rights when an individual's ability to inflict violence was more correlated with their status, but not post-property rights when first mover's had an advantage in gaining ownership to be able to collect rent and have a group of able bodied young to enforce it (e.g. police). Once that dynamic is established, the game favors those who can benefit from previous generations.

After that, the option for a young person to support themselves is mostly based on expanding to unclaimed or lower priced land, which is a big gamble because it is usually unclaimed or lower priced for a reason (hard to reach, no infrastructure, enemies, climate, clean water, etc).

>Take any time period of history and any place, and there is a mobility which will surprise you. Evidence for this is for example the colonization of the New World.

The internet might have been the most recent world that was available to be colonized, but it is not clear to me that these worlds will always be available.

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