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US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says

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Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says

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Since a lot of people here aren't familiar with the private credit situation, here's my understanding, which comes almost entirely from reading Money Stuff, a daily column by Matt Levine. If you are a tech person who wants to learn about finance, I recommend it! It's a lot more entertaining than most finance industry reporting.

"Private credit" is an idea that has been hot in finance for the last several years, originating from the great financial crisis (GFC). After the GFC, regulations made it very hard for banks to make business loans with any kind of risk anymore. So instead, new non-bank institutions stepped in to make loans to businesses. These "private credit" institutions raise money from investors, and lend it to businesses.

The investors are usually institutions who are OK with locking up their money long-term, like insurance companies and pension funds. This all seems a lot safer than having banks making loans: banks get their funding from depositors, who are allowed to withdraw their deposit any time they want. So a bank really needs to hold liquid assets so they are prepared for a run on the bank, and corporate borrowing is not very liquid. Insurance companies and pension funds have much more predictability as to when they actually will need their money back, so can safely put it in private credit with long horizons.

It's not quite so clean, though.

It's actually common for banks to lend money directly to private credit lenders, who then lend it out to companies. But when this happens, typically the bank is only lending a fraction of the total and arranges that they get paid back first, so it's significantly less risky than if they were loaning directly to the companies. Of course, the non-bank investors get higher returns on their riskier investment.

And the returns have been pretty good. Or were. With the banks suddenly retreating from this space, there was a lot of money to be made filling the gap, and so private credit got a reputation for paying back really good returns while being more predictable than the stock market.

But this meant it got hot. Really hot.

It got so hot that there were more people wanting to lend money than there were qualified borrowers. When that happens, naturally standards start to degrade.

And then interest rates went up, after having been near-zero for a very long time.

And now a lot of borrowers are struggling to pay back their loans on time. And the lenders need to pay back investors, so sometimes they are compromising by getting new investors to pay back the old ones, and stuff. It's getting precarious.

Meanwhile a lot of private credit institutions are hoping to start accepting retail investors. Not because retail investors have a lot of money and are gullible, no no no. 401(k) plans are by definition locked up for many years, so obviously should be perfect for making private credit investments! Also those 401(k)s today are all being dumped into index funds which have almost zero fees, whereas private credit funds have high fees. Wait, that's not the reason though!

But just as they are getting to the point of finding ways to accept retail investors, it's looking like the returns might not be so great anymore. Could be a crisis brewing. Even if the banks are pretty safe, it's not great if pensions and insurance companies lose a lot of money...

Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says

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Unless I'm misunderstanding something, this isn't that big of a number in the larger scale of US banking; According to the numbers in the article that's only about 2.5% of all bank lending (300B/1.2T, with the 1.2T being ~10%)

> this isn't that big of a number in the larger scale of US banking

It's not. It's just that we're seeing potentially 10% losses on the portfolio level [1], which could imply up to–up to!–5% losses to the banks' loans to those lenders.

Again, tens of billions of dollars of losses are totally absorbable. But Morgan Stanley's stock price took a hit when it gated one of these funds [2]. And some banks (Deutsche Bank, somehow, fucking again, Deutsche Bank) have small ($12n) but concentrated portfolios where a single wipeout could materially impair their ~$80bn of risk-weighted assets.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/business/us-private-credit-defaults-...

[2] https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-sp-5...

Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says

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Unless I'm misunderstanding something, this isn't that big of a number in the larger scale of US banking; According to the numbers in the article that's only about 2.5% of all bank lending (300B/1.2T, with the 1.2T being ~10%)

Off by an order of magnitude.

Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says

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post #118

To private credit firms . Most of what banks do is private credit, the news is them funding private credit firms.

I don't know a lot about finance. What is the definition/significance of "firm" in this context (if that's not a complicated question)?

A private credit firm is a non-bank entity that raises money from wealthy investors, pension funds, etc to loan out to businesses. The funds are generally locked up for several years to match the duration of the loans.

They also borrow money from banks to add leverage to this basic setup.

Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says

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post #118

To private credit firms . Most of what banks do is private credit, the news is them funding private credit firms.

I don't know a lot about finance. What is the definition/significance of "firm" in this context (if that's not a complicated question)?

Not who you asked, but I think making the nuance between retail and corporate credit. With firms being corporate credit (i.e. we aren’t talking about individuals / retail).

Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says

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post #120

Yeah, I'm going down a bit of a rabbit hole this morning. Turns out Wells Fargo's $59.7bn of private-credit lending is equal to 44% of its CE Tier 1 capital [1]. Meanwhile, Deutsche Bank got back to being Deutsche Bank while I was not looking [2]. [1] https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/72971/00000729712500... [2] https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/deutsche-bank-highl...

With the current concentration of wealth and banking, it almost seems like there is an incentive for banks to ruin themselves when they end up in a little trouble. If the bank has trouble, shareholders/executives lose - if the banking system has trouble... then QE will solve the bank trouble.

When can qe start ?

Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And to make matters worse, those who remove regulations then get voted out, but show up on infotainment "opinion" shows disguised as news broadcasts....and whine that those who were voted in to fix the mess aren't fixing the problem fast enough , so those who caused the problem should be voted back in. And lo and behold, they get voted back in, to cause more damage.

Its a big beautiful system!

Democracy

Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says

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post #139
post #118

To private credit firms . Most of what banks do is private credit, the news is them funding private credit firms.

That's not correctly stated. "Private Credit" is defined as non-bank lending. Banks are doing "public" lending in the sense of being regulated. Private lending is any sort of financial instrument issued outside of those guard rails. It's generally felt to be risky and volatile, but useful. Basically, it's never illegal just to hand your friend $20 even if the government isn't watching over the process to make sure yo…

> That's not correctly stated

It is. (EDIT: It's a mixed bag. OP was correctly calling out a definitional error.)

Banks have loaned $300bn mostly to private-credit firms. Those firms then compete with the banks to do non-bank lending. It's a weird rabbit hole and I'm grumpy after a cancelled flight, but it feels like I'm in the middle of a Matt Levine writeup.

Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says

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Unless I'm misunderstanding something, this isn't that big of a number in the larger scale of US banking; According to the numbers in the article that's only about 2.5% of all bank lending (300B/1.2T, with the 1.2T being ~10%)

Washington Mutual had $307 billion in assets, and one credit downgrade and a bank run of $16 billion in September 2008 was enough to get them shut down.

These private credit numbers are estimates provided by Moody's, who were famously clueless about the scale of mortgage bond risk even as they stamped them all with a AAA rating.

Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says

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post #118

To private credit firms . Most of what banks do is private credit, the news is them funding private credit firms.

Isn’t private credit defined in part as “lending by non-banks”?

Like, when a bank originates a mortgage, that mortgage gets traded, much like private debts don’t.

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