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Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Are there many assaults on uber passengers because they are white? Are there many assaults on uber passengers because they are women? There is your answer.

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I understand socioeconomic factors so I just ignore racist talking points.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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If this form of discrimination is ok, can we get other filters?

Are you saying it's not acceptable for a woman to choose a female driver over a male driver for a sense of her own safety? Deep breath in... There are two types of discrimination. Paraphrasing Thomas Sowell, let's call them Type I and Type II. Type II discrimination is the evil awful kind we rightfully rail against. It is "treating people negatively, based on arbitrary aversions or animosities to individuals of a par…

> Allowing women to make a selection based on this likelihood means that female customers that are alone can make choices to still use the service while reducing the overall risk.

I'm failing to see how anything you say could be used as a guideline to pick between "good" discrimination and "bad" discrimination. The major distinction you draw between "Type II" and "Type I" is the fact that one is fueled by "arbitrary aversion" which is not a particularly useful distinction.

What if I denied entry to black people from my bar because ""they commit more crimes"" and ""are more likely to break stuff"", is it morally ok? Why not? My opinion is that no, it's not ok because the majority of people punished were never going to behave in an uncivil way.

The same logic can be easily applied to this situation. Are men more likely to behave sexually inappropriately (which ranges from verbal harassment to assault)? Sure. Is it the majority? Hell no, it's nowhere close.

(Of course it's worth nothing that the "majority" does not necessarily have 50.01%, it's just an arbitrary line you can draw as long as you are consistent about it)

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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It would be funny if the market showed women were willing to pay a premium to avoid being raped?

After figuring that they are paying more than males, they would be protesting against "rideshare gap"

And they’d be right to, fella. It is unjust to need to pay more to achieve similar safety.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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That's not why women ask for women-only gyms.

It's one of the relevant factors. It, and related facts, make it usually possible for a man to overpower a woman (and a predator self-selected for being somewhat above average in fighting ability might be confident of overpowering multiple women, or at least being able to get away in the worst case), which has implications for safety.

Women-only gyms are because women don't like being oogled whilst exercising.

Maybe some claim it's for safety but the fact they're often 24hr would decry that.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Go and have yours. Like nobody stopping you

Civil Rights law

There are so many ways around that you really don't even need to bother with it, just don't be putting up "No Irish Need Apply" or such.

Hints: membership clubs, religious organizations (Gainz Я God)

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Are you saying it's not acceptable for a woman to choose a female driver over a male driver for a sense of her own safety? Deep breath in... There are two types of discrimination. Paraphrasing Thomas Sowell, let's call them Type I and Type II. Type II discrimination is the evil awful kind we rightfully rail against. It is "treating people negatively, based on arbitrary aversions or animosities to individuals of a par…

> Allowing women to make a selection based on this likelihood means that female customers that are alone can make choices to still use the service while reducing the overall risk. I'm failing to see how anything you say could be used as a guideline to pick between "good" discrimination and "bad" discrimination. The major distinction you draw between "Type II" and "Type I" is the fact that one is fueled by "arbitrary…

If someone is presenting themselves to you in person for entry into your bar, you have far more information to make a judgement on than the color of their skin... so it is not the same.

In the case of a woman coming into contact with some driver and volunteering location information like her home address, she has little to no information to make that judgement. Providing her just that bit of information, and allowing her to discriminate based on it, makes her safer. Ideally, she'd have way more information than just whether the driver is male or female. The reputation information helps, but isn't always reliable.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Do you think having women's only bathrooms is discrimination as well?

Yes unless there is almost same amount of male only bathrooms. As member of most hated minority I can accept that there is correspondingly to population less bathrooms. So 51% of bathrooms should me female only and 49% of them should be male only.

this is actually an interesting problem for building designers, because the "fair" scenario of equal space for each ends up in too few female restrooms (assuming a natural split of clientele) because the men get urinals which can be packed in like sardines, the women don't.

Even if you go "fair" and have the same number of drains regardless of size you often end up with lines for the women.

Most large place compensate by putting in way too many toilets on average or just hope there isn't a crush-time.

The best place to see this in action is at a stadium with 50/50 fans during half-time or other break.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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I understand socioeconomic factors so I just ignore racist talking points.

the fact that skin color can be a proxy for socioeconomic factors does not change the statistics. Do you investigate why a rapist has raped someone and then ignore it if the reason is socioeconomic factors?

If applying your logic on skin color leads to discrimination then maybe it's discrimination even when the discriminated party is males.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Low scent preference: no perfume/cologne, car air "freshener", food smell, smoking

i dont think preference for no perfume/cologne or no smoking is typically seen as discriminatory from a legal standpoint, is it? my workplace has a no perfume/cologne policy, and we have lawyers on staff, so itd be interesting to find out it is.

the fun begins when it appears to be a stand-in for a protected class.

"No perfume" is pretty simple, but "no smelling like curry" would clearly be at or over the line.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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I understand socioeconomic factors so I just ignore racist talking points.

the fact that skin color can be a proxy for socioeconomic factors does not change the statistics. Do you investigate why a rapist has raped someone and then ignore it if the reason is socioeconomic factors? If applying your logic on skin color leads to discrimination then maybe it's discrimination even when the discriminated party is males.

It doesn't but it contextualises them. An inability to recognise that is a signal.

Have you seen any correlation between socioeconomic factors and perpetrators of sexual assaults?

Recognising that one group commits the majority of certain crimes isn't the issue, as you said it's just stats. The issue is entirely in ignoring other factors.

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