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Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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I updated my comment to indicate GNU/Linux.

That still uses the Linux kernel which uses the work of mega corporations.

Which is not the same as one single, hostile corp.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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If we were rational creatures we might choose to do such things while seated at home in front of a comfortably sized screen, rather than squinting at a pocket gadget on a street corner.

That doesn't sound very rational to me. Modern banking apps require no squinting, and they're conveniently in your pocket when you need them.

IMO the word "need" is doing all the work here. I have a fairly complex financial situation and yet - with a bit of intentionality and organisation - I get by fine without any banking apps installed on mobile.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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That doesn't sound very rational to me. Modern banking apps require no squinting, and they're conveniently in your pocket when you need them.

IMO the word "need" is doing all the work here. I have a fairly complex financial situation and yet - with a bit of intentionality and organisation - I get by fine without any banking apps installed on mobile.

There isn't a hard line between "need" and "want". It isn't irrational to want more than "get by fine".

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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> The devices will not carry the band support needed for these [non-EU] markets. Would they have zero radio coverage, or sub-optimal coverage? Could be a feature for those wanting a Wi-Fi only mobile Linux device.

> Would they have zero radio coverage, or sub-optimal coverage? Sub-optimal for data if it allows attach. If they don’t have working IMS profile it may reject the attach at worst or just have no working calls/texts at best (we do not have fallback 2g/3g except for 911 on 2g with pockets of t-mobile). There is 911 IMS profile but it sometimes doesn’t work with foreign phones, its tricky: https://optimerainc.com/wp-con…

> better linux device not built on a complex phone soc

Any suggestions in handheld form factor, comparable to iPod Touch? There was PinePhone Pro with Sailfish and RK3399S SoC, now discontinued.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Are these non Google non Apple phones viable any more? Considering you almost can't do banking, and in some places interact with the government, without a locked down phone...

Jolla is working on a unification attestation program for companies to solve this problem.

https://uattest.net/

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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If you don't expect Google Pay / Apple Pay to work? Yes. There's a thread on the SFOS forums dedicated to this [1]. [1] https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/banking-apps-on-sailfish-os/1...

Using a Sailfish phone comes from the desire not to use Google or Apple. So wanting to pay using those companies seems an odd requirement. Luckily for paying there are still widely accepted alternatives.

I wouldn't say it is a requirement. The thing is, if you want to use bank apps in NL, they all quit with native NFC. It is either Google Pay or Apple Pay >:(

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If a product meets all of the needs of their users that's a good thing. It is a good thing to reward commercial entities for providing value to their users.

How do you know that the product meets the needs of users? From the usage? Did you hear about duopolies and walled gardens? Did you hear about banks forcing people on the duopoly?

Because if they didn't a competitor could get a foothold by solving those needs.

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How do you know that the product meets the needs of users? From the usage? Did you hear about duopolies and walled gardens? Did you hear about banks forcing people on the duopoly?

Because if they didn't a competitor could get a foothold by solving those needs.

No, it couldn't, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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I would like it to have also hardware video output. Then I could become a PC in our pocket.

Librem 5 already exists: https://puri.sm/posts/my-first-year-of-librem-5-convergence/

Honestly I would not buy such a dock: same weight and size of a laptop without the power.

But it's a cool idea.

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