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Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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An AI is more likely than me to take the time to send you an email for requesting access - I'm too lazy.

I think a better approach would be to have a login form and just say "the password is 1234" or whatever. Virtually no scraper has logic to handle that sort of situation, but it's trivial for humans. Way easier than an LLM

Not true, even Windows Defender is capable of extracting "the password is 1234" from context like emails or webpages.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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No one left ChatGPT over that deal: they decided to try Anthropic's Claude because the Department of War gave them free marketing.

I left the openai platform long before this, because I expected things like this. A few called me alarmist but are now also jumping ship because of this. OpenAI has zero moral or ethical substance and people _do_ care about that. I'm extreme enough that joining openAI after a specific date works against you and your CV, not with/for you, while leaving at a specific date speaks volumes in favour of you. People are the sum of their actions, not their words and siding with / continuing to use openAI speaks volumes on who you are.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Have you considered using Gemini? Google seems to be on a hot streak with their models, and, since they're playing from behind, I'd expect favorable pricing and terms. But, I don't know anyone who is using or talking about Gemini. All the chatter seems to be Anthropic vs. OpenAI.

because gemini, despite what stats say, still produces garbage once the problem gets harder. it nails it for lab conditions, but messy reality or creativity or even code quality is a far cry from opus or the latest gpt5.4 by a long shot. and always has been. its pretty good inside the GSuite because of integrations, but standalone its near worthless compared to even grok-code-fast which doesn't think much at all (but…

My experience exactly. The more "real" the problems become, the more other models become unsuitable when compared to claude, with the sole exceptions being deepseek/kimi, which while speaking strictly w.r.t metrics and basic tasks are not better, they are more interesting and handle more odd and totally out of domain stuff better than the US models. An example being code i wrote for a hypercomplex sedenion based artififial neural network broke claude so bad it start saying it is chatgpt and cant evaluate/run code. similar experience for all US models, which are characterized by being extremely brittle at the fringes, though cladue least among them. Meanwhile chinese models are less capable for cookie cutter stuff but keep swinging when things get really weird and unusual. It's like US models optimize for the lowest minima acheivable, and god help you if distribution changes. Chinese models on the otgerhand seem to optimize for the flattest minima, giving poorer quality across the board but far more robust behaviour.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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All this demonstrates how non-sticky all this tech really is. When your product is basically just an API call it’s trivial to just swap you out for someone else. As such it’s unclear what the prize at the end of the present race to the bottom is. We swapped OpenAI out for Claude and it required updating about 15 lines of code. All these guys are just commodity to us. If next week there’s a better supplier of commodit…

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Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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> are so evenly matched It's because the real value of the models is in what we (humanity) fed them, and all of them have eaten the same thing for free.

To stop this, I today put most of my Amazon Redshift research web-site behind a basic auth username/password wall. It's all remains free, but you need to email me for a username and password. If I put in time and effort to make content and OpenAI et al copy it and sell it through their LLM such that no one comes to me any more, then plainly it makes no sense for me to create that content; and then it would not exist…

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Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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The way this thing "looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck" has nothing to do with the way a real duck "looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck". Who cares, as long as the end results are close (or close enough for the uses they are put to)? Besides, "has nothing to do with how the human brain works" is an overstatement. "The term “predictive brain” depicts one of the most r…

The human doesn't just predict. It predicts based upon simulations that it runs. These LLMs do not work like this.

If you're able to predict, you're able to simulate.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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You are missing the correlations that Claude can derive across all these user sessions across all users. In Google analytics, when I visit a page and navigate around till I find what I was looking for or didn't find it, that session data is important for website owners how to optimize. Even in Google search results, when I think on 6th link and not the first, it sends a signal how to rearrange the results next time o…

The underlying technology is a thin layer of queryable knowledge/“memories” in between you and the llm, that in turn gets added to the context of your message to the llm. Likely RAG. It can be as simple as a agents.md that you give it permission to modify as needed. I really don’t think that they are correlating your “memories” with other people’s conversations. There is no way for the LLM to know what is or isn’t ap…

> Besides all that, you will be shocked at how quickly a new service can reconstruct your preferences. I started a new YouTube account, and it was basically the same feed within a few days.

Because your location data, wifi name and etc hones in on the fact this is the same person as before. You are actually supporting my point than denying it.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Executives are certainly capable of understanding moral/ethical concerns. Around 2005, a Yale Psychology PhD candidate asked me to write a web-based survey instrument with various questions, some on complex but straight forward business questions (the controls) and others with moral/ethical aspects. Senior executives participated and they answered similarly to rank & file, often completing the entire survey much fast…

You would also need to control for the degree to which people had a stake in the outcome (ie., virtue signalling). Since executives have to make decisions where choosing the moral option may impose an economic (or operational) cost, this requires thinking through the actual choice. Morality for the "rank and file" is just a signalling issue: there's nothing to think through, the answer they are "supposed to choose" i…

"Rank and file" employees choosing to prioritize morality very, very frequently pay real costs for doing so - with a much larger personal impact than executives feel.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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post #148

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You would also need to control for the degree to which people had a stake in the outcome (ie., virtue signalling). Since executives have to make decisions where choosing the moral option may impose an economic (or operational) cost, this requires thinking through the actual choice. Morality for the "rank and file" is just a signalling issue: there's nothing to think through, the answer they are "supposed to choose" i…

"Rank and file" employees choosing to prioritize morality very, very frequently pay real costs for doing so - with a much larger personal impact than executives feel.

Only in very rare circumstances where the obvious answer and their procedural work dont align.

When making an operational decision that affects the direction of the business, morality is almost always a concern -- even at the level of "do our customers benefit from this vs., do we?" etc.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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post #148

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"Rank and file" employees choosing to prioritize morality very, very frequently pay real costs for doing so - with a much larger personal impact than executives feel.

Only in very rare circumstances where the obvious answer and their procedural work dont align. When making an operational decision that affects the direction of the business, morality is almost always a concern -- even at the level of "do our customers benefit from this vs., do we?" etc.

Where do you get the idea that those circumstances are "very rare"? Workers are being asked to break rules and do unethical things all the time, and you're pretty much guaranteed to pay a personal cost if you refuse.

Meanwhile morality is almost always one of least important factors when making operational decisions.

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