This seems like it would have adversarial consequences. Wouldn't these list of tropes get longer over the years.
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, and it's a detection loop without feedback. You can never verify that a piece of work in the wild is actually AI. The poster is the only one who really knows, and they'll always say it's not. This is a problem, because you can easily get stuck in a self-reinforcing loop. You feel strengthened in your convictions that you're good at ferreting out LLM-speak because you've found so much of it. And you find so much…
At this point it’s pretty easy to detect unaltered LLM output because it is such bad writing. That will change over time with training I would hope. At some point I imagine it will be hard to tell. I honestly don’t know what sites like this will do when that happens and the only way of detecting LLMs is that they are subtly wrong or post too much, we’d be overrun with them. Not sure if we should be hopefully or fearf…
Sites like this will have to start using bot detection. Captchas, Anubis.
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#143I find this repellent; why not, instead of trying to push unwelcome generated prose below the radar, stop trying to waste everyone's time? People don't object to these patterns because they hate lists of three; they object to them in this context because of what they signal about the content.
If using AI to write is nothing to be ashamed of, then you shouldn't feel the need to hide it. If it is something to be ashamed of, then you should stop doing it. If someone objects to you poisoning a well, the correct response is not to use a more subtle poison.
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#144Can we do this for everyone?
It's a bold strategy cotton. Bold of you to say that. Wild how mundane things get call wild. Thay're making calling things wild their entire personality. In that case, by your logic, (least generous misrepresentation of your logic).
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#145AI writing sucks because it doesn't have a voice. It's not trying to say anything. Human writers are interesting because they offer a unique perspective from their lived experience.
It also struggles to maintain deep coherence. This is all probably related. It might be very hard or impossible to have deep coherence without human-like goals, memory, or sense of self.
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#146If you are serious about sharing written ideas, I suggest you avoid using this type of prompts at all cost. I've worked with LLMs to write on my blog and they are pretty good at first glance [0]. But do it a few time and you'll notice that those tropes are the least of your problems. Not only all your articles will sound the same, but you'll see that same voice on other blogs, news articles, white paper, etc. It's as if they were all written by Mo Samuels. Readers are often here for the author's voice, not just the content of the text.
I often hear this here: "if you don't bother writing, why should I bother reading?" In fact, save us some time and just share the prompt.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
The new memory feature in Gemini got turned on by default and every answer came out like this. It kept working in details from one particularly long thread. Everything was framed in terms of the common elements. Everything. I turned it off immediately.
How can you turn it off without turning off history ("My Activity") altogether? I noticed the "memory" too and it's turned Gemini into a useless syncophant for me, but so subtle that I almost didn't spot it.
https://gemini.google.com/saved-info
The toggle by "Your past chats with Gemini"
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#148I tried using Gemini for some light historical research. It could not stop using tech metaphors. Lords were the CEOs of their time, pope was the most important influencer, vassal uprisings were job interviews, etc. The metaphors were almost comically useless and imprecise, and Gemini kept using them even when I explicitly asked it to not do that.
> It could not stop using tech metaphors. Lords were the CEOs of their time, pope was the most important influencer, vassal uprisings were job interviews, etc.
That happens all the time if the previous discussion was about the other subject you don't want (tech in this case): LLMs (not just Gemini) go out of their way to reconcile the two topics.
As an example at some point I asked about the little shrooms people (the tiny people people do hallucinate all mostly the same when eating a particular mushrooms) to a LLM and forgot to begin a separate discussion and asked... About the root "-trinsic" in "intrinsic" and "extrinsic" and the city of "trinsic" in the Ultima game. Oh man... The LLM went wild. I totally forgot I asked about the little shrooms people hallucination but the LLM didn't forget and went totally nuts.
I think you'll get better result if you launch a new discussion and specify "Context: history" or "Context: cooking". Once it goes off the rail, asking it to "not do that" ain't really working: by that point it's just gone, solid gone.
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#149If you are serious about sharing written ideas, I suggest you avoid using this type of prompts at all cost. I've worked with LLMs to write on my blog and they are pretty good at first glance [0]. But do it a few time and you'll notice that those tropes are the least of your problems. Not only all your articles will sound the same, but you'll see that same voice on other blogs, news articles, white paper, etc. It's as…
I have seen people suggest that the problem is that LLMs let you express any of your ideas, but the number of people with ideas worth expressing is limited.
In a sense I think this is accurate, but not inevitable. I think there is a lack of creative thinking, but it has come from a world that doesn't value it and suppresses difference.
There is a brilliant line in Treehouse of Horrors IV where Principle Skinner says "Now I've gotten word that a child is using his imagination, and I've come to put a stop to it." Which is just the perfect comment on the modern education system.
Models trained on the lack of diversity will push one way, but I think it will also avenues for expression that didnb't exist before. The balance will come from how we react and support what we would like to have happen
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#150AI writing sucks because it doesn't have a voice. It's not trying to say anything. Human writers are interesting because they offer a unique perspective from their lived experience. It also struggles to maintain deep coherence. This is all probably related. It might be very hard or impossible to have deep coherence without human-like goals, memory, or sense of self.
I don't think lived experience matters too much to me.
In some sense, AI has very unique "lived" experience, which is what creates the voice it uses ("doesn't have a voice" seems like an impossibility to me by definition).
I find AI very "human-esque", and its "self-reported" phenomenology is very entertaining to me, at least.
I also think AI writing might feel trashy also because most human writing is trashy.