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Setting up phones is a nightmare

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Re: Setting up phones is a nightmare

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post #137

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Surely, it depends on your particular vendors, but don't you have any problems with banking apps and such? I honestly just don't know, didn't try messing with firmware in a while. Do you use Revolut or something similar?

I have found websites for accessing my banking to be pretty great. Do we really need banking apps?

This doesn't answer the question though. If someone says "how do I have safe sex" you don't suggest abstinence.

Re: Setting up phones is a nightmare

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I don't use Android because iPhones are more expensive. In fact you can get Android phones that are as expensive and sometimes more expensive than iPhones. I use Android phones because it is a much more flexible ecosystem, where I can choose my browser, for example.

I’m very much the inverse of you. I don’t use Android because I don’t want to have to worry about all the fiddly stuff that is involved with Android. I like that it’s not a big deal to migrate to a new phone, that I don’t have to worry about whether I’ll be able to get security updates in a year, or have to spend time disabling telemetry. If I did want to do a lot of fiddling with the phone then sure, Android would b…

For me a new phone is a forced cleanup. I don't migrate anything automatically.

Re: Setting up phones is a nightmare

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I am an iPhone user myself, but the number of "this is an android problem" and "just use iPhone" in response to the author's complaints surprises me. I thought HN was more anti apple in the past? Maybe we are all old now and tinkering with our devices is out of fashion, but this doesn't make the author's complaints illegitimate. And if we zoom out a bit, iPhones are only 20% of the global phone market. The overwhelmi…

I don't use Android because iPhones are more expensive. In fact you can get Android phones that are as expensive and sometimes more expensive than iPhones. I use Android phones because it is a much more flexible ecosystem, where I can choose my browser, for example.

I don't mean to dismiss your opinion but I doubt this is the reason android has such a huge market share. I doubt the average person even knows that apple forces every app to use apple's own browser. The countries where android dominate are also the ones where you can get phone plans with free data for WhatsApp and Facebook. There is an entire world outside our techie circles where price and UX trumps having principles about user control and freedom.

Re: Setting up phones is a nightmare

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post #138

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I’m very much the inverse of you. I don’t use Android because I don’t want to have to worry about all the fiddly stuff that is involved with Android. I like that it’s not a big deal to migrate to a new phone, that I don’t have to worry about whether I’ll be able to get security updates in a year, or have to spend time disabling telemetry. If I did want to do a lot of fiddling with the phone then sure, Android would b…

For me a new phone is a forced cleanup. I don't migrate anything automatically.

Obviously that's a ton more work, and not something most people have any desire to do. They just want to upgrade their phone and have all their data and apps migrate seamlessly.

Re: Setting up phones is a nightmare

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post #131

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I don't use Android because iPhones are more expensive. In fact you can get Android phones that are as expensive and sometimes more expensive than iPhones. I use Android phones because it is a much more flexible ecosystem, where I can choose my browser, for example.

Exactly what I was going to say. I don't use iPhone because, well, it's iPhone. And until, like, this year, it was strictly more prohibitive than Android. Also, it was honestly just worse of a device than some Android flagships, and the tradeoff is only worth it if you are a lazy USA-ian, who doesn't use any "sketchier" non-mainstream apps, has an Apple account and owns a bunch of Apple devices anyway. Oh, and all yo…

I have 5 years old iPhone SE2020 that is relatively cheap having in mind that is 5 years old. None of Androids served me that long. Only Motorola tried, but water killed it. Water has not killed iPhone when my son threw it into pond. Which Android is that good, practically speaking?

Re: Setting up phones is a nightmare

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For me a new phone is a forced cleanup. I don't migrate anything automatically.

Obviously that's a ton more work, and not something most people have any desire to do. They just want to upgrade their phone and have all their data and apps migrate seamlessly.

Especially if someone needs to get and setup a new phone in a hurry for whatever reason.

Yes, it's sometimes good to do a spring cleaning but I'm not always in a position to do so (or have the desire to).

Re: Setting up phones is a nightmare

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post #43

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> I use proprietary stuff like Apple for these parts of my life. A new Apple device is usually a non-event: charge it, authenticate, wait for the back to restore while you go about your business. Most of the author's criticisms were centered on avoiding account creation and third-party apps. I'm not sure I would give Apple the benefit of the doubt here since the motivations are different: Apple is far more interested…

that isn't all that different from getting a Pixel. Paradox is, that with Pixel device you can get most freedom and security togather. Installation of GrapheneOS is easiest custom ROM installation that could possibly be.

Unless you live in a place where your phone needs to be a regional variant and there are no custom roms that support it.

Re: Setting up phones is a nightmare

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post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely, it depends on your particular vendors, but don't you have any problems with banking apps and such? I honestly just don't know, didn't try messing with firmware in a while. Do you use Revolut or something similar?

I have found websites for accessing my banking to be pretty great. Do we really need banking apps?

In my country, we do. For starters, we use apps for authentication and notifications. We can debate whether web push is viable, but most banking apps simply do not rely on it. As for older people, I would rather they use an app than a website because it is far too easy to fall victim to phishing attacks, no matter how much we educate them.
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