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Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by joe_mamba »

soco wrote: post #133
joe_mamba wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I'm from Europe and have no idea what "democrat" is. Do you mean the US party? I didn't know they publish in Europe. Do you maybe mean everything not-MAGA? Now that's quite a blanket statement then, applying I'd say to 90% of Europeans - I'd be scared if 90% of the continent sees you like DPRK (hint: no, they don't). So please, either explain, or just cut back on useless sensationalistic metaphors.

>I'd be scared if 90% of the continent sees you like DPRK

Sees me? I'm European, and am speaking to how I see other Europeans see the US, which comes from the local media which is heavily anti-US as it twists and omits facts to maintain a constant anti-Trump narrative no matter the facts since people lap it up without doing any due diligence or research online.

Remember the BBC famously clipped Trump's speech to make it seem like he said something he didn't actually say on Jan 6.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by Analemma_ »

delecti wrote: post #67
embedding-shape wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're not in the EU, what even is the impact on you that was caused by GDPR? You're essentially not affected by it unless you run a business, which now you need to take greater care of the personal data you store. Is that what's annoying you or what?

The EU is to blame for cookie banners on basically every website on the internet. I wish the US had something similar, and that there was more enforcement of disallowing "accept all" buttons without an equivalent "reject all" option. I also recognize that websites don't need the banner if they aren't trying to track me, but lets not pretend there aren't annoying consequences.

> The EU is to blame for cookie banners on basically every website on the internet.

This is the most low-rent complaint imaginable and it boggles my mind how I keep seeing it made straight-faced. One time I literally timed how long it took me to dismiss a EU cookie banner, it was about 350ms and only needs to be done once per site. All this outrage is over 350ms and I cannot take it seriously.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by microtonal »

rustyhancock wrote: post #35
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a US citizen and I hope more of the world decouples because I think a lot of our issues are due to a lack of competition.

But we have our own issues outside of the US. They reality is the average person is between a rock and a hard place.

Major US tech businesses are making money with analytics/ads though, so they would never roll out end-to-end encryption in a serious way. At least outside the US, a lot of E2E-encrypted services are popping up (Proton, Zeitkapsl, etc.).

I don't trust the small number of E2E US services at all. E.g., some of the companies that were/are in PRISM seem to have very convenient 'accidental' backdoors. E.g. WhatsApp doing backups on Google Drive without encryption by default on Android or Apple doing iCloud backups of iMessage that are not E2E encrypted unless you enable ADP. And even if you are wise enough to enable E2E in both cases, most people that you communicate with don't, because they use the defaults, so it's game over anyway.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by Dumblydorr »

nova22033 wrote: post #136

Why is it wrong for US diplomats to advocate for a policy that clearly benefits US companies?

The argument that it’s wrong would be because it’s bad for US consumers and those abroad too. There’s monopolization arguments, and there’s clear evidence of wrong-doing by these companies already.

Even for US tech folks like HN, I doubt it would help us. US companies hoard their profits and power, so most people here would see no benefit. It’s yet another move to protect rich corporations and the corporate cronies of the most corrupt administration in US history.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by blibble »

kyboren wrote: post #97
llm_nerd wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>American domiciled VCs and companies can outinvest just about any other competitor, Because every investor in the world put their money in the US. They knew the best companies and people would centralize around that hub. When the US is a rogue, isolated idiocracy -- already true, but the world takes time to adapt to this new reality -- how much of that money do you think will flow to the US?

> When the US is a rogue, isolated idiocracy This reads like wishful thinking from a butthurt European. I am not a fan of many of Trump's policies and I think ex-US investor sentiment has definitely soured. But it's not like the USA is now DPRK. > how much of that money do you think will flow to the US? If there's one thing you can be sure of about aggregate investor behavior, it's that investors seek good risk-adjus…

> But it's not like the USA is now DPRK.

I'd say the perception is probably worse

kim is simply not a threat

he also hasn't threatened to invade us, and he's not kidnapped any foreign leaders (recently)

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by jzb »

nova22033 wrote: post #136

Why is it wrong for US diplomats to advocate for a policy that clearly benefits US companies?

The article didn’t say it was wrong by my reading: it reported that it’s happening.

That said: “benefits US companies” != good public policy for the US as a whole. It’s explicitly trying to interfere in how other countries govern themselves for the benefit of shareholders, not because it’s necessarily good policy.

It’s also something we wouldn’t necessarily appreciate if done to us by our allies. If we have any actual allies left given all of Trump’s tariffs and threats against other countries.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #51
esafak wrote: post #5

I wonder if he would go so far as to withhold access to US tech to this end.

That'd be amazing. It'd suck for some weeks initially, including for myself and the companies I'm involved in, but at least then it'll start being a "all hands on desk" sort of thing instead of "Lets make sure we finish this before the end of 2026" which is the current state of affairs.

I mean, the easy thing to do is revoke US-EU data transfers. The ECJ is definitely going to do it anyway, and it provides a lot of leverage. If you keep it gone for long enough, then the Mag7 are basically forced to store data in the EU, and respect the laws.

As a bonus, it would nuke the markets, causing the US administration to backpedal on whatever. (Obviously I'd prefer not to nuke the markets, but something needs to happen to push back against the US).

This would only happen in a world where the US has entirely abandoned Ukraine though (i.e. no intelligence sharing).

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by gtowey »

Tyrubias wrote: post #12

I can’t imagine how any country would think the US is trustworthy enough to be the place where everyone stores their data. If companies cannot comply with data sovereignty laws then they shouldn’t exist at all. Personally, even as a US citizen, I’m hoping tech companies in Europe and Asia become independent enough to no longer be beholden to US interests. It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegem…

Such a missed opportunity. We could have been to data privacy and protection what Switzerland is to Banking.

But no, our cooperate oligarch overlords just can't keep their hands out of the piggy bank.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by microtonal »

joe_mamba wrote: post #98
rustyhancock wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we have our own issues outside of the US. They reality is the average person is between a rock and a hard place.

This. When I look at why my life sucks and is on hard difficulty mode, it's not because I use US tech instead of EU tech. Most people and companies have bigger economic challenges right now trying to keep the lights on, than data sovereignty and domestic alternatives. My company just had a 3rd round of layoffs and its wasn't due to lack of EU SW.

The lack of data sovereignty does have large geopolitical consequences though. Without data sovereignty of EU government services and businesses, the US can blackmail EU continuously or even worse, in the case of e.g. a conflict over Greenland, cause chaos by turning off access to US tech. So for the EU, tech sovereignty is a matter of life and death.

Also, a lot of crap in Western countries is caused by tech broligarchs enriching themselves in favor of workers en destroying democracy for tech feudalism. So if we can bring down their sales Tesla-style, I'm all in for it.

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