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Re: Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston

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Post by WillPostForFood »

nutjob2 wrote: post #115
apercu wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jebus. “It’s hard to manufacture in the US.” Yes. That’s what rebuilding capability looks like. China built dense supply chains over decades. Of course iteration was faster. Hard isn’t a reason not to do it. It’s what happens when you’ve optimized for margin and optics and performance instead of resilience.

No, it's local manufacturing theater. The US does a lot of manufacturing, second only to China, but not low margin stuff that isn't economic. Trying to "bring back" that sort of thing is idiotic and is entirely performative and induced by the current incompetent administration. China is a genuine threat but the right solution is to move it to other friendlier countries instead of losing money trying to do it in the U…

The US manufacturing situation is much worse than you suggest, and is top heavy with low margin boring industrial stuff. Largest sector for US manufacturing is Chemicals, which includes fertilizer, petrochemicals, pesticides, and some pharma. The second largest sector is Tobacco, Food, and Beverages.

I think some more "low margin" computer and chip manufacturing would be healthy.

Re: Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston

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Post by gigatexal »

rayiner wrote: post #122
bastardoperator wrote: post #60

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This President isn't doing a good job on really any level. Its not that I want anyone to fail, it's that the President today is currently in a state of failure, and those failures like enriching himself can have long term devastating effects on our society.

[flagged]

Obama managed to deport many without the vitriol or the killing of American citizens. Are you a one issue voter? Just showing a blind eye to everything so long as no brown folks cross into this country?

Re: Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston

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Post by delfinom »

deaddodo wrote: post #127
nutjob2 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's local manufacturing theater. The US does a lot of manufacturing, second only to China, but not low margin stuff that isn't economic. Trying to "bring back" that sort of thing is idiotic and is entirely performative and induced by the current incompetent administration. China is a genuine threat but the right solution is to move it to other friendlier countries instead of losing money trying to do it in the U…

This is the part that blows my mind. People seem to think the US is incapable of and does no manufacturing. It is the second largest manufacturer[1], and has a capacity about 65% of what China does. Which is 350% of the next largest manufacturing country. What they stopped manufacturing was menial and low-end product; because it's not price-effective to have 100 Americans sit on an assembly line and solder SMT compon…

Yes/no.

China at this point is hard in automation, beyond anything the US has. China is well past the peak of sweatshops.

As someone in the manufacturing space in the US, the biggest issue we have in the US is that manufacturing continues to die. Any manufacturing we have left is the old guard dying off. It comes from a range of issues from companies refusing to invest in younger employees, to the cost of real estate (both buy or rent) for commercial properties being absurd..

Re: Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston

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Post by vsgherzi »

9dev wrote: post #126
vsgherzi wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as manufacturing in China took time manufacturing in the US will take time. The US has lost much of its skilled labor and mom and pop parts shop. If we have any hope of re-invigorating this some large company is going to have to bite the bullet. Chicken and egg problem imo. I'll leave whether this is worth it or not up to the economists.

Are you sure that’s actually what you want though, competing with China in skilled labor?

Of course I do. Competition can only be good here.

Re: Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston

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Post by AngryData »

nutjob2 wrote: post #115
apercu wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jebus. “It’s hard to manufacture in the US.” Yes. That’s what rebuilding capability looks like. China built dense supply chains over decades. Of course iteration was faster. Hard isn’t a reason not to do it. It’s what happens when you’ve optimized for margin and optics and performance instead of resilience.

No, it's local manufacturing theater. The US does a lot of manufacturing, second only to China, but not low margin stuff that isn't economic. Trying to "bring back" that sort of thing is idiotic and is entirely performative and induced by the current incompetent administration. China is a genuine threat but the right solution is to move it to other friendlier countries instead of losing money trying to do it in the U…

It is apparently economic to do so in China and apparently any other place you want to outsource it to. Does smaller and one-off productions have as high of margins as high speed automated stamping machines running 24/7? No. But that doesn't mean it isn't profitable at all.

And quite frankly, who gives a fuck if top owners and investors get maximum returns, boo hoo they got 4% return instead of 8%, that is still far better than the average working class's deal. Our entire problem is a suffering middle and lower classes that need decent work, they will still be happy even if the product they make is a bit lower margin because they are paid hourly, not paid by dividends and stock options which is where all the higher margins profits go. Average citizens pay has not correlated with increased company profits, and increased company profits isn't what makes society stable, so the investor class is going to have to suck it up and take the hit unless they want their entire house of cards to collapse.

Re: Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston

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Post by vsgherzi »

luketaylor wrote: post #112
vsgherzi wrote: post #92

Is no one else interested in the "assemble advanced AI servers, including logic boards produced onsite, which are then used in Apple data centers in the U.S." in the pictures? Are they using nvidia GPUS? Their own silicon? Is there any data out there on what these servers are like? I don't think we've ever seen a picture of them before.

WSJ published a video yesterday with the first pictures of those servers: https://twitter.com/yiningkarlli/status/2026176857541075274

man what I would give for one of those servers

Re: Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston

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Post by CPLX »

deaddodo wrote: post #127
nutjob2 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's local manufacturing theater. The US does a lot of manufacturing, second only to China, but not low margin stuff that isn't economic. Trying to "bring back" that sort of thing is idiotic and is entirely performative and induced by the current incompetent administration. China is a genuine threat but the right solution is to move it to other friendlier countries instead of losing money trying to do it in the U…

This is the part that blows my mind. People seem to think the US is incapable of and does no manufacturing. It is the second largest manufacturer[1], and has a capacity about 65% of what China does. Which is 350% of the next largest manufacturing country. What they stopped manufacturing was menial and low-end product; because it's not price-effective to have 100 Americans sit on an assembly line and solder SMT compon…

That’s just not the reason though.

The reason we can’t do manufacturing is because Wall Street demands capital light business models.

That, in turn, is an outcome of being the global reserve currency.

Re: Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston

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Post by apercu »

deaddodo wrote: post #127
nutjob2 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's local manufacturing theater. The US does a lot of manufacturing, second only to China, but not low margin stuff that isn't economic. Trying to "bring back" that sort of thing is idiotic and is entirely performative and induced by the current incompetent administration. China is a genuine threat but the right solution is to move it to other friendlier countries instead of losing money trying to do it in the U…

This is the part that blows my mind. People seem to think the US is incapable of and does no manufacturing. It is the second largest manufacturer[1], and has a capacity about 65% of what China does. Which is 350% of the next largest manufacturing country. What they stopped manufacturing was menial and low-end product; because it's not price-effective to have 100 Americans sit on an assembly line and solder SMT compon…

Fair, but there is tons of HIGH END manufacturing we could do that we just don't, even though there is every incentive to do so.
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