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Re: Global Intelligence Crisis

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Post by threethirtytwo »

jahsome wrote: post #136
threethirtytwo wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you’re saying I’m nuts? Do you go to peoples faces and say that? You’re not nuts. But you are trying to twist the logic to justify your own situation. The correct word to characterize this is “manipulative”. Clearly, no one is nuts on this thread but some people are just dicks. It’s completely normal for people to not be literal, and to also mistakenly say something.

I didn't say you are nuts, I said your statement is. The distinction should be "obvious" no? Here's a hint though: normal is a myth.

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Re: Global Intelligence Crisis

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Post by cal_dent »

xenophon wrote: post #81
SirensOfTitan wrote: post #64

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How will AI affect the price of real goods and their inputs: lumber, food, electricity, textiles and the like? And will companies pass on the service-based savings to consumers?

The point is that if this article is correct about the assumption that AI is capable enough to reduce the friction of consumers rationally comparing options for a far wider basket of goods, then competition will reduce prices. No company wants to reduce prices if they don't have to -- their hand is forced by declining market share (or, with discounters, price reductions are a deliberate strategy to increase market sh…

but doesn't this implicitly assuming the reduction in labour cost and household income is like for like price reduction. When there's probably just as likely (& if not more) that the reduction in household income is lopsided so overall ability to purchase is reduced. You'll then need fewer people to buy more to make up for the loss of some buyers which is unlikely for many goods.

I do think the idea that AI is good for economic growth is for the fairies personally under the current model. I cant square the circle of a consumer based economic model will see higher growth by the apparently significant reduction in said consumers income.

Re: Global Intelligence Crisis

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Post by Rover222 »

the__prestige wrote: post #135

Where do I even begin? Speed is unrealistic. It compresses a decade of enterprise adoption into 18 months. Organizations don't restructure at the speed of a demo. And if it were true, companies would also stop buying AI once their customers are broke and revenue is falling. The "rational firm" logic cuts both ways. "No new jobs" is asserted, not argued. It dismisses 200 years of counter-evidence in two sentences and…

This was a nice, soothing response after having read the entire article.

Re: Global Intelligence Crisis

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Post by Rover222 »

tehjoker wrote: post #98
encomiast wrote: post #22

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I think domestic servitude is probably an understatement. We are looking at serfdom.

If this scenario comes to pass, then the class war in labor markets will have been won by capital. That would spell the end of the promise of non-violent resistance. What other leverage would ordinary people have if their labor is worthless? Blue collar work is somewhat insulated so long as humans are cheaper and less fickle than robots. We have seen in Gaza and to native americans what capital/power does to populati…

I was at a restaurant last night with a group, and it was the first time I heard people actively organizing on how to block new data centers in the area. It felt like being in a scene in a sci-fi movie. I do think if these feedback loops happen too quickly of white collar displacement, there might be some real violence against data centers.

Re: Global Intelligence Crisis

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Post by padjo »

drivebyhooting wrote: post #140
padjo wrote: post #76

> The administration, to its credit, recognized the structural nature of the crisis early and began entertaining bipartisan proposals You lost me there...

Did you miss the part where this is a scenario written for two years in the future?

When the current administration is still in power?

Re: Global Intelligence Crisis

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Post by yesbabyyes »

jahsome wrote: post #120
bdangubic wrote: post #102

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amazing reading this thread and realizing just how much HN is disconnected from the reality of majority of people in America. returning food and hitting multiple stores is like a daily thing for several people I know

"It's just a banana hackers, how much could it cost?! $5?" Though that joke is in desperate need of an inflationary update.

It's a great joke (and yes, a hilarious thread!), it's $10 in the original joke though so I would say it still works for now (not sure what a banana costs in the US today. Here it's about $1).

Re: Global Intelligence Crisis

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Post by threethirtytwo »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #134
threethirtytwo wrote: post #47

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It’s an aspect of the truth. Tons of people don’t price match and tons of people do. Whats nuts about humans is the quickness of judgement and extremity of statements. Think about this, the man who said that is not actually nuts. And you calling him “nuts” is actually the more ludicrously unrealistic statement.

They said "no one". Not even "most", let alone "half" or "some". Those are their words. To live in a country where tens of millions of people have food insecurity, 50 million rely on food stamps, and the median income is 40,000 while the median rent is 1,700 (20,000/year) and claim no one has to watch their grocery bill to their own inconvenience would be utterly disconnected from the reality of the survival of half…

>To live in a country where tens of millions of people have food insecurity, 50 million rely on food stamps, and the median income is 40,000 while the median rent is 1,700 (20,000/year) and claim no one has to watch their grocery bill to their own inconvenience would be utterly disconnected from the reality of the survival of half of their countrymen.

Stop turning this into some kind of holier than thou angle. He knows, you know we all know.

>Anyway, the irony is not lost that you simultaneously advocate for the parent being interpreted non-literally, by intent, but my colloquial, common use of the word "nuts" is "unacceptable".

It is, because it's a targetted attack. Let me put it this way, would you say what you said to someones face? Your best friend? You mother? or father and call them nuts because they said something that was off? Would you go on some holier than thou lecture on the amount of people relying on food stamps? You would? Then please continue.

Re: Global Intelligence Crisis

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Post by tehjoker »

Rover222 wrote: post #144
tehjoker wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this scenario comes to pass, then the class war in labor markets will have been won by capital. That would spell the end of the promise of non-violent resistance. What other leverage would ordinary people have if their labor is worthless? Blue collar work is somewhat insulated so long as humans are cheaper and less fickle than robots. We have seen in Gaza and to native americans what capital/power does to populati…

I was at a restaurant last night with a group, and it was the first time I heard people actively organizing on how to block new data centers in the area. It felt like being in a scene in a sci-fi movie. I do think if these feedback loops happen too quickly of white collar displacement, there might be some real violence against data centers.

That seems possible, but if people are severely displaced for a significant duration, damage to property is going to seem quaint if there is no New Deal.

Re: Global Intelligence Crisis

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Post by hackable_sand »

rrr_oh_man wrote: post #61
__d wrote: post #29

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Yes, but. When you’re broke and hungry, those differences become immaterial compared to the protein-bar/no-protein-bar tradeoff.

Sounds like you’ve never been broke.

It sounds exactly like they've been broke
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