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No Skill. No Taste

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Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by rambambram »

m3kw9 wrote: post #139
rambambram wrote: post #129

This is the most awkward comment section I've read in a long time. Programmers talking about 'taste'... ouch.

programmers usually help the taste makers vision come true. Programmer with strong taste means they will fight back, and most companies doesn't want that from experience. they need you to sit down code and stfu

That's not what I meant. I mean more in the sense of the need to define something in a strict way while it's as soft as can get. The need for definitions, the need for authority, the need for external proof, that stuff.

Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by benhurmarcel »

AntiDyatlov wrote: post #86
lubesGordi wrote: post #47

I don't know man. I'm writing a flashcard app, and I like it. It makes me happy and it works the way I want. Exactly how I want. BC I could never get into quizlet. Whatever. Maybe others will like it, maybe not, I don't care. Taste is subjective. Having 1 million todo apps, great. Maybe someone I know will find one they like and tell me about it. Maybe I'll find one that doesn't suck. Maybe I'll just make my own. One…

> Everyone being able to make their own apps however they want is a beautiful No. Silence is better than noise.

When somebody generates an app but doesn’t share it, does it make a noise?

Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by throw4847285 »

fao_ wrote: post #130
throw4847285 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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IDK, I understood them perfectly well.

But what were they actually saying? They just used the phrase "college-educated" and several synonyms as an insult to put themself forward as just some working class Joe who has no time for rich people and their hoity toity high and mighty philosphizing.

If I was to be charitable, I guess maybe their argument was that Kant only believed in subjective universality because he was rich, but that doesn't make any sense. Both Kant and Hume grew up middle class, and ended up in academia, and had very different conclusions about what "taste" is.

It's just a knee jerk reaction to dead white men philosophers and anyone who is interested in them as a bunch of elitists. That's not an argument, that's some kind of misplaced class resentment masquerading as an argument.

Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by ianbutler »

internet2000 wrote: post #138
ianbutler wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not gate keeping anything, to do that I would have to make specific statements beyond "consider other people when you post something" Right and my point is you (or i) will never be consulted, it happens emergently through community dynamics. No one sat in a group and decided this, Show HN in particular has always been selective. Different things are interesting to different sub groups and they select for differen…

> I'm not gate keeping anything, Might be unintentional then, but the language in your post comes across as a textbook case of gatekeeping.

I honestly tried to not inject my own standards into this and tried to stick around dynamics as much as possible. I think you shouldn't post to post, but if you've considered your audience and thought about something outside of yourself as to why someone may like this, earnestly, and not just kidding yourself, you are acting in good faith imo.

Similarly, I should have done more in the post to steer people way from the perception I'm shitting on them for building for themselves, that's great I have plenty of personal projects running at home that are just for me, if I ever decided to share them out I'd work to make sure its ready and valuable for people to receive.

Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by rbn3 »

throw4847285 wrote: post #143
fao_ wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IDK, I understood them perfectly well.

But what were they actually saying? They just used the phrase "college-educated" and several synonyms as an insult to put themself forward as just some working class Joe who has no time for rich people and their hoity toity high and mighty philosphizing. If I was to be charitable, I guess maybe their argument was that Kant only believed in subjective universality because he was rich, but that doesn't make any sense.…

that's not what they said at all though, sorry but the only one doing knee jerk reactions here seems to be you

Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by satvikpendem »

scoofy wrote: post #100

I suspect that in the future, apps will be like these blogs: most people will have them. The app authors will they they are great, most won't be great. Some will be great and hugely popular, many will be great but nobody will know or about them, because the attention economy is always hard. I think that's fine. What I really think is that most of the logical folks here think we ought to be focusing our attention and…

> I suspect that in the future, apps will be like these blogs: most people will have them

Most people don't have blogs though.

Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by satvikpendem »

benrbray wrote: post #46
raincole wrote: post #13

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> READMEs get to the front page and nobody seems to notice that it's written in grating Claudese Or you know, it's just not that important whether the README is written by Claude or not. Generally speaking people don't use a service/library for the author's ability to write excellent proses.

Presentation matters. Good documentation is evidence of a library that has been carefully thought through. Slop in the readme suggests slop in the code.

I could vibe code the hell out of something but write a good README for it by hand, doesn't mean that something is actually good. But yes, A -> B != B -> A, as your last sentence says.

Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by vunderba »

mecsred wrote: post #104
vunderba wrote: post #87

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> Taste is subjective. If I spend twenty years subsisting solely on a high sodium cup-of-noodle diet, get severely impaired under the influence of everclear while trying to use a straight edge razor for the first time, hang up a white canvas, and spin around like a whirling dervish yard sprinkler and then display this finished piece next to Jan van Eyck’s The Last Judgement - we’ve long since left the realm of pure s…

That would honestly be an incredible performance art piece, like a distilled waste of a human life just to prove a point. Then even after all that you could ask the question "Is the art inferior, did it prove the point effectively.". I think there's a real argument to be made that it didn't, becuase just having the argument surfaces some very interesting points about worth.

Haha, you made me laugh. With my eating habits - I'm already halfway there to realizing my vision of becoming a hemoglobic Jackson Pollock.

Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by throw4847285 »

rbn3 wrote: post #145
throw4847285 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what were they actually saying? They just used the phrase "college-educated" and several synonyms as an insult to put themself forward as just some working class Joe who has no time for rich people and their hoity toity high and mighty philosphizing. If I was to be charitable, I guess maybe their argument was that Kant only believed in subjective universality because he was rich, but that doesn't make any sense.…

that's not what they said at all though, sorry but the only one doing knee jerk reactions here seems to be you

Ok, so what were they saying?

Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by CooCooCaCha »

tristor wrote: post #118
selridge wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost like the rules for taste are made up on the fly…

Of course they are, taste is a social conversation to align for a window of time on a set of guidelines. Taste is a social construct, being a social construct (or "made up") does not make it any less real or valuable.

Taste isn’t a social construct, it’s a function of how your brain is structured/wired. How it’s applied is a social construct.
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