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Re: Overall, the colorectal cancer story is encouraging

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Post by tayo42 »

AstroBen wrote: post #128
porknubbins wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fiber is so inconvenient to get in adequate quantity. We cook all our meals using tons of vegetables and none of it has much fiber if I remember. Occasionally I’ll try to start eating oatmeal but get burned out after a week or two.

My breakfast: 80g oats, 2tbsp chia seeds, 1tbsp ground flax, a shitload of frozen berries, 50g of mixed nuts (walnuts, almonds, whatever), raisins or other dried fruit Delicious and has more than the recommended fiber in one meal. I didn't like oats much until I learnt how to make them taste good

How do you make them taste good? I need to put sugar on oatmeal... Lol

Re: Overall, the colorectal cancer story is encouraging

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Post by Earw0rm »

orionsbelt wrote: post #55
GlibMonkeyDeath wrote: post #46

The graph showing risk factors in age groups 18-49 is interesting - obesity, "sugary drinks (>2/day)", and sedentary lifestyle (>2 hr TV/day) are each about 1.5-2x increase in risk factor. Obesity has roughly doubled over this time period, and people are more sedentary. What I could find about "sugary drinks" seems to indicate it hasn't changed much or even dropped slightly over this time. So obesity/sedentary lifest…

Obviously this is just anecdotal and you could still be correct, but the two celebrities the article cited (Chadwick Boseman and James Van Der Beek) don’t seem to fit that mold.

True, although how many celebrities do?

Re: Overall, the colorectal cancer story is encouraging

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Post by inglor_cz »

greygoo222 wrote: post #93
inglor_cz wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Diseases are not a monolith and you cannot assume low risk of some diseases means low risk of others. That is wild guesswork passed off as logic..." Diseases are not a monolith, but they do tend to arise and fall in some specific clusters, and that is not "logic", good or bad (too many computer-minded people drag logic into the chaos that is biology), but rather a long-time empirical observation, albeit with some ex…

Your testicles, empirically, shrink when it gets cold. Do you think measuring their shadow is an acceptable substitute for a thermometer?

You are really obsessed with my testicles. That is a weird comparison, but at least you know that you're not a bot. This would be too weird for a LLM to produce.

In general, I don't think your irony is as strong as you think. Shrinkage of various materials in the cold is the original basis for a thermometer.

Of course it is better to use something better-observable like mercury. But in absence of an industrial civilization, you don't have mercury to measure.

Re: Overall, the colorectal cancer story is encouraging

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Post by inglor_cz »

greygoo222 wrote: post #90
inglor_cz wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Diseases are not a monolith and you cannot assume low risk of some diseases means low risk of others. That is wild guesswork passed off as logic..." Diseases are not a monolith, but they do tend to arise and fall in some specific clusters, and that is not "logic", good or bad (too many computer-minded people drag logic into the chaos that is biology), but rather a long-time empirical observation, albeit with some ex…

Sigh. Sure, if you had a gun to your head and you knew nothing else, it would be better to guess that a given population (hunter-gatherers) with low rates of some illnesses (T2D, HBP) also had low rates of another illness (CRC) than the reverse. Okay. That's a slightly better-than-chance guess, not anywhere near a solid basis for speculation. "Anyways, it makes sense that marathoners get CRC because hunter-gatherers…

"makes sense that marathoners get CRC because hunter-gatherers probably don't run that much"

That is a misinterpretation of what I wrote. Let me reformulate.

"Marathons are so much more extreme than what we used to do in the Stone Age, that some pathologies resulting from such long-term physical overload are to be expected." I don't see anything lala about that. You do extreme things, you reap some consequences, sooner or later.

I would say that marathons go beyond our design parameters, but my experience in HN is that the "design" metaphor always conjures some people who consider it a dog-whistle for intelligent design (as opposed to evolution), not just an imprecise metaphor, as metaphors usually are. So I avoid it in order not to attract a senseless fight.

Re: Overall, the colorectal cancer story is encouraging

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Post by xaldir »

AstroBen wrote: post #133
proee wrote: post #2

Wow, I had no idea there is a 15X increase for endurance athletes. Make me want to dial down the running a bit, which make you wonder where the sweet spot is for distance training.

I wonder if it's due to diet. Endurance athletes love their simple carbs, highly processed gels. I've seen plenty of cyclists taking gummy bears on rides for fuel, or a concoction that is effectively sugar water to drink The study referenced is really light on details and they don't say if they controlled for that

I was thinking the same thing.

Simple sugars and highly processed foods tends to affect the gut microbiome.

I guess "more ressearch is needed".

Re: Overall, the colorectal cancer story is encouraging

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Post by elric »

coppsilgold wrote: post #119
AstroBen wrote: post #97

I wonder why fiber is never brough up with this. Only ~5% of people get enough fiber and it lowers your risk a lot

You can buy Psyllium husks by the pound as well.

There are apparently cases of psyllium leading to weird allergic reactions. IIRC this is frequently reported in caretakers who prepare psyllium for eldery patients, presumably because they end up inhaling some of the stuff?

Re: Overall, the colorectal cancer story is encouraging

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Post by RupertSalt »

caminante wrote: post #13
dexwiz wrote: post #5

Something I've never seen in these analyses is drinking. Millennials are heavy drinkers. Both craft brews and cocktails were defining generational traits. Not everyone is a drinker but it appears they are heavy drinkers compared to other generations. The theory behind the ultra marathoners is that extreme distance running disrupts the epithelial layer and microbiome in the gut. Wouldn't drinking have similar effects?

> Millennials are heavy drinkers. That's news to millenials and the graveyard of craft breweries. I thought alcohol consumption is trending off for younger generations.

Alcohol has adverse interactions with psych meds, and THC is becoming the recreational drug of choice.

Re: Overall, the colorectal cancer story is encouraging

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Post by RupertSalt »

AstroBen wrote: post #128
porknubbins wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fiber is so inconvenient to get in adequate quantity. We cook all our meals using tons of vegetables and none of it has much fiber if I remember. Occasionally I’ll try to start eating oatmeal but get burned out after a week or two.

My breakfast: 80g oats, 2tbsp chia seeds, 1tbsp ground flax, a shitload of frozen berries, 50g of mixed nuts (walnuts, almonds, whatever), raisins or other dried fruit Delicious and has more than the recommended fiber in one meal. I didn't like oats much until I learnt how to make them taste good

This is close to a recipe suggestion on Bob’s Red Mill Muesli.

I would assemble it the night before, so that the berry juice moistened the oats.

Cardamom or cinnamon, honey, or plain yogurt can be added.

Re: Overall, the colorectal cancer story is encouraging

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Post by dkural »

liveoneggs wrote: post #56
andy_ppp wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had to have a good read of the article and put the content in ChatGPT for further more detailed analysis. I still can’t infer a single thing about how I should be surprised or how people’s habits changed, so feel free to enlighten me!

Food delivery is now an "essential" for more people than it ever was before. Doordash/Uber Eats is how a weirdly large amount of people eat in general. The rate of increase in childhood obesity went up during covid.

You realize that is far too recent to show up in cancer death rates for under-40 year olds right? It takes 10-15 years for a change-in-behavior to show up in incidence and even longer for deaths. As a classic example, see the shift (i.e. the delay) in curve of reduced smoking and reduced lung cancer.

Re: Overall, the colorectal cancer story is encouraging

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Post by caminante »

RupertSalt wrote: post #147
caminante wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Millennials are heavy drinkers. That's news to millenials and the graveyard of craft breweries. I thought alcohol consumption is trending off for younger generations.

Alcohol has adverse interactions with psych meds, and THC is becoming the recreational drug of choice.

Not yet.

I see one poll by a cannabis outlet claiming 46% of marijuana users are millenials (read: high proportion of user base). However, That's still below the ~50% of millennials who consume alcohol.

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