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Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by croes »

raincole wrote: post #101
minimaxir wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the case you are asking in good faith, a) X requires logging in to view most of its content, which means that much of your audience will not see the news because b) much of your audience is not on X, either due to not having social media or have stopped using X due to its degradation to put it generally.

I'm not signed in but I can view the above linked tweet just fine. Plus it's not a real clarification in anyway. It's just PR. Even if it's posted on Mastodon or Github or anywhere, I highly doubt you can use it to defend yourself if you get banned from violating their ToS.

You can’t view answers and the tweet threat. You need to know every single tweet. You can’t open the politician‘s feed so you have to know that there is a tweet and which it is to get information.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by stingraycharles »

azuanrb wrote: post #74
archeantus wrote: post #67

Not according to this guy who works on Claude Code: https://x.com/trq212/status/2024212378402095389?s=20 What a PR nightmare, on top of an already bad week. I’ve seen 20+ people on X complaining about this and the related confusion.

No, it is prohibited. They're just updating the docs to be more clear about their position, which haven't changed. Their docs was unclear about it.

Yes, it was always prohibited, hence the OpenCode situation one or two months ago.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by Gigachad »

zb3 wrote: post #133

This confirms they're selling those subscriptions at a loss which is simply not sustainable.

They probably are but I don’t think that’s what this confirms. Most consumer flat rate priced services restrict usage outside of the first party apps, because 3rd party and scripted users can generate orders of magnitude more usage than a single user using the app can.

So it makes sense to offer simple flat pricing for first party apps, and usage priced apis for other usage. It’s like the difference between Google Drive and S3.

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Post by Unearned5161 »

scwoodal wrote: post #98
bluegatty wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you buy a 'Season's Pass' for Disneyland, you cant 'sublet' it to another kid to use on the days you don't; It's not really buying a 'daily access rate'. Anthropic subs are not 'bulk tokens'. It's not an unreasonable policy and it's entirely inevitable that they have to restrict.

I’m not subletting my sub to anyone. I’m the only one using the third party harness. I’m using their own SDK in my own CLI tool.

It’s not a literal sublet to someone else, it’s subletting your tokens to another tool.

At its core it’s a tragedy of commons situation. Using a third party tool like OpenClaw is augmenting your usage far beyond what was anticipated when the subscription plan was made.

Same deal for unlimited storage on drive until people started abusing it.

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Post by esafak »

croes wrote: post #131
artdigital wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s very clearly a no, I don’t understand why so many people think this is unclear. You can’t use Claude OAuth tokens for anything. Any solution that exists worked because it pretended/spoofed to be Claude Code. Same for Gemini (Gemini CLI, Antigravity) Codex is the only one that got official blessing to be used in OpenClaw and OpenCode, and even that was against the ToS before they changed their stance on it.

But why does it matter which program consumes the tokens?

They must be getting something out of it, because we sure aren't.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by esafak »

zb3 wrote: post #138
scwoodal wrote: post #79

Why does it matter to Anthropic if my $200 plan usage is coming from Claude Code or a third party? Doesn’t both count towards my usage limits the same?

They're losing money on this $200 plan and they're essentially paying you to make you dependent on Claude Code so they can exploit this (somehow) in the future.

It's a bizarre plan because nobody is 'dependent' on Claude Code; we're begging to use alternatives. It's the model we want!

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by sciencejerk »

adrianN wrote: post #115
eru wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Computers and anything computer related have historically been dropping in prices like crazy year after year (with only very occasional hiccups). What makes you think this will stop now?

Cars have also been dropping in price.

Evidence for this claim?

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by scwoodal »

Unearned5161 wrote: post #144
scwoodal wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not subletting my sub to anyone. I’m the only one using the third party harness. I’m using their own SDK in my own CLI tool.

It’s not a literal sublet to someone else, it’s subletting your tokens to another tool. At its core it’s a tragedy of commons situation. Using a third party tool like OpenClaw is augmenting your usage far beyond what was anticipated when the subscription plan was made. Same deal for unlimited storage on drive until people started abusing it.

My Claude sub isn’t unlimited.

I didn’t set the limits on the plan; change those if it’s a problem, not irritate your customer base.

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Post by aftbit »

walterbell wrote: post #123
eru wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Computers and anything computer related have historically been dropping in prices like crazy year after year (with only very occasional hiccups). What makes you think this will stop now?

Recent price trends for DRAM, SSDs, hard drives?

Short term squeeze, because building capacity takes time and real funding. The component manufacturers have been here before. Booms rarely last long enough to justify a build-out. If AI demand turns out to be sustained, the market will eventually adapt by building supply, and prices will drop. If AI demand turns out to be transient, demand will drop, and prices will drop.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by zb3 »

Gigachad wrote: post #143
zb3 wrote: post #133

This confirms they're selling those subscriptions at a loss which is simply not sustainable.

They probably are but I don’t think that’s what this confirms. Most consumer flat rate priced services restrict usage outside of the first party apps, because 3rd party and scripted users can generate orders of magnitude more usage than a single user using the app can. So it makes sense to offer simple flat pricing for first party apps, and usage priced apis for other usage. It’s like the difference between Google Dr…

I get your point - they might count on the user not using their full quota they're officially allowed to use (and if that's the case, Anthropic is not losing money). But then still - IF the user used the whole quota, Anthropic loses.. so what's advertised is not actually honest.

For me, flat rates are simply unfair either ways - if I'm not using the product much, I'm overpaying (and they're ok with that), otherwise it magically turns out that it's no longer ok when I actually want to utilize what I paid for :)

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