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There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by darylteo »

perrygeo wrote: post #133
legitster wrote: post #45

Even the crotchetiest and most out-of-touch people I know basically accept that the Earth is warming now. They just either disagree on the cause or proportion. Some people just naturally resist hyperbole or sensationalist rhetoric, and I find it very helpful to reframe the argument from doom and gloom and fire and brimstone to something more realistic and grounded: "The longer we put off doing something, the harder a…

> Even the crotchetiest and most out-of-touch people I know basically accept that the Earth is warming now Same. Empirical evidence is just too hard to ignore. It's quite amazing watching the "climate change isn't real" folks transition to "climate change is no big deal", then to "climate change is too hard/expensive to deal with".

something something tilt of the earth.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by zzrrt »

legitster wrote: post #45

Even the crotchetiest and most out-of-touch people I know basically accept that the Earth is warming now. They just either disagree on the cause or proportion. Some people just naturally resist hyperbole or sensationalist rhetoric, and I find it very helpful to reframe the argument from doom and gloom and fire and brimstone to something more realistic and grounded: "The longer we put off doing something, the harder a…

> Even the crotchetiest and most out-of-touch people I know basically accept that the Earth is warming now.

POTUS tweeted "WHATEVER HAPPENED TO GLOBAL WARMING???" a few weeks ago when a record cold wave came in. I suppose you were talking about people you personally know, but it seems like there's a good chance many who voted for him would say it too.

Anyway, I guess there is a growing collective admission that the climate is changing even if the crotchety ones will still quip about it not being warmer at some given time and place. It's unfortunate that "global warming" caught on instead of "climate change."

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by peyton »

perrygeo wrote: post #133
legitster wrote: post #45

Even the crotchetiest and most out-of-touch people I know basically accept that the Earth is warming now. They just either disagree on the cause or proportion. Some people just naturally resist hyperbole or sensationalist rhetoric, and I find it very helpful to reframe the argument from doom and gloom and fire and brimstone to something more realistic and grounded: "The longer we put off doing something, the harder a…

> Even the crotchetiest and most out-of-touch people I know basically accept that the Earth is warming now Same. Empirical evidence is just too hard to ignore. It's quite amazing watching the "climate change isn't real" folks transition to "climate change is no big deal", then to "climate change is too hard/expensive to deal with".

Unaudited empirical evidence is easy to ignore. The problem is one of physics. It should be simple to show with napkin math.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by netsharc »

e40 wrote: post #66

We've already lost the battle to prevent catastrophic change: https://davidsuzuki.org/story/is-it-too-late-to-escape-clima... And 7 of 9 boundaries have been crossed? https://www.stockholmresilience.org/research/planetary-bound... This is starting to look more like the movie _Don't Look Up_.

I agree, but it seems most of the "messaging" nowadays is "Well, the outlook is 'we're fucked', but we still need to do something, or the outlook will be 'we're very fucked!'", which still falls on deaf ears...

I remember someone saying another form of denial is the denial that "we" will be affected badly. A friend said "Well, I'll turn on my AC, I'll be fine!". Or "I'm sure some technological Deus ex Machina will save us! Any day now!".

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by eldaisfish »

nradov wrote: post #131
bryanlarsen wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily the effect is much larger in the opposite direction: weaning oneself off of foreign oil is a huge advantage both economically and militarily.

Is it though? For developing countries, having a large supply of fossil fuels has always been a huge accelerator for industrialization and overall economic growth even if that fuel has to be imported. There really is no substitute, especially when you consider that it's not used only for transportation and power generation but also for manufacturing as an industrial heat source and chemical feed stock.

fossil fuels were a proxy for energy. China continues to show the world that energy independence can come via electricity that you generate within your borders, and that it can be cheaper than importing foreign oil.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by pstuart »

perrygeo wrote: post #133
legitster wrote: post #45

Even the crotchetiest and most out-of-touch people I know basically accept that the Earth is warming now. They just either disagree on the cause or proportion. Some people just naturally resist hyperbole or sensationalist rhetoric, and I find it very helpful to reframe the argument from doom and gloom and fire and brimstone to something more realistic and grounded: "The longer we put off doing something, the harder a…

> Even the crotchetiest and most out-of-touch people I know basically accept that the Earth is warming now Same. Empirical evidence is just too hard to ignore. It's quite amazing watching the "climate change isn't real" folks transition to "climate change is no big deal", then to "climate change is too hard/expensive to deal with".

Playbook is The Narcissist's Prayer

  That didn't happen.
  And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
  And if it was, that's not a big deal.
  And if it is, that's not my fault.
  And if it was, I didn't mean it.
  And if I did, you deserved it.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by pstuart »

nradov wrote: post #131
bryanlarsen wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily the effect is much larger in the opposite direction: weaning oneself off of foreign oil is a huge advantage both economically and militarily.

Is it though? For developing countries, having a large supply of fossil fuels has always been a huge accelerator for industrialization and overall economic growth even if that fuel has to be imported. There really is no substitute, especially when you consider that it's not used only for transportation and power generation but also for manufacturing as an industrial heat source and chemical feed stock.

China seems to think so. Their efforts to boost their non-carbon energy sources is going at an advanced clip, along with their advances in EVs.

Not saying they're above reproach, but their energy policy certainly trumps ours.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by legitster »

zzrrt wrote: post #142
legitster wrote: post #45

Even the crotchetiest and most out-of-touch people I know basically accept that the Earth is warming now. They just either disagree on the cause or proportion. Some people just naturally resist hyperbole or sensationalist rhetoric, and I find it very helpful to reframe the argument from doom and gloom and fire and brimstone to something more realistic and grounded: "The longer we put off doing something, the harder a…

> Even the crotchetiest and most out-of-touch people I know basically accept that the Earth is warming now. POTUS tweeted "WHATEVER HAPPENED TO GLOBAL WARMING???" a few weeks ago when a record cold wave came in. I suppose you were talking about people you personally know, but it seems like there's a good chance many who voted for him would say it too. Anyway, I guess there is a growing collective admission that the c…

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Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by NicuCalcea »

netsharc wrote: post #145
e40 wrote: post #66

We've already lost the battle to prevent catastrophic change: https://davidsuzuki.org/story/is-it-too-late-to-escape-clima... And 7 of 9 boundaries have been crossed? https://www.stockholmresilience.org/research/planetary-bound... This is starting to look more like the movie _Don't Look Up_.

I agree, but it seems most of the "messaging" nowadays is "Well, the outlook is 'we're fucked', but we still need to do something, or the outlook will be 'we're very fucked!'", which still falls on deaf ears... I remember someone saying another form of denial is the denial that "we" will be affected badly. A friend said "Well, I'll turn on my AC, I'll be fine!". Or "I'm sure some technological Deus ex Machina will sa…

Haven't heard the "it's fine to burn the planet for AI data centres because AI will eventually solve climate change" argument in a while, it was pretty common in the early days.
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