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Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Post by tietjens »

omnimus wrote: post #57
tomxor wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the same fears. Last year they have publicly stated they are not interested in acquisition [0] > Pennarun confirmed the company had been approached by potential acquirers, but told BetaKit that the company intends to grow as a private company and work towards an initial public offering (IPO). > “Tailscale intends to remain independent and we are on a likely IPO track, although any IPO is several years out,” Pe…

Just note i doubt Tailscale were first popular vpn manager as i remember many hobby users are Zerotier converts and also much older products like Hamachi. Tailscale have build great product around wireguard (which is quite young) and they have great marketing and docs. But they are hardly first VPN service - they might not even be the most popular one.

Might be time to learn me some Wireguard.

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Post by drcongo »

Lammy wrote: post #134
stavros wrote: post #131

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Let's stop moving the goalposts. Open source has a specific definition, and "they merge whatever code I want them to" isn't part of it. Just fork the client, compile it, and run it yourself.

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Open source = I should be able to fork it, change it, and use it

Open source = The maintainers should build exactly what I hysterically scream at them

If I had to choose one definition of open source from these two options, it's going to option 1 I'm afraid.

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Post by stavros »

tietjens wrote: post #139
stavros wrote: post #133

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Why?

It handles virtual displays better in case you want your pc screen to be off while streaming. There might be other reasons.

Oh nice, virtual displays is a feature I've been wanting, thanks!

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Post by dimatura »

tamimio wrote: post #32
dimatura wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our company pays for the premium business plan, $18/mo/user. You have to pay for at least the lower tier plan once your team grows beyond a handful of people. And there's several quite useful features (though maybe not essential) on the premium plan like serve/funnel and SSH. On the other hand, I do wonder about zerotier. before tailscale we used zerotier for a few years, and during the first 3-4 years we paid nothin…

Zerotier is not the same as tailscale although both can be used to do the same, but under the hood both are fundamentally different, ZT is layer2 like switch, so it’s like an Ethernet meanwhile TS is built on top of wireguard and is layer3. ZT allows broadcast/multicast and has own protocol, TS don’t. I use both among others, and ZT since around 2019, I found it reliable in some cases in IoT world while TS had better…

Yeah, they're not direct replacements. I think both models have have their pros and cons. In fact I tried both around when covid shutdowns started (server being in the office, me at home), and liked zerotier better; it was faster, and a more generous free tier. But now tailscale has won out for a couple of reasons; the main one, it's simply less flaky for us on macOS, especially for devs working overseas. No idea why and maybe there's simple fixes (that don't involve repeated connections/disconnections, hopefully). The other, tailscale has a few extra things that are nicer and easy to use like identity-based ACLs, funnel/serve, magicDNS, ssh management, etc.

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Post by drcongo »

8cvor6j844qw_d6 wrote: post #83
ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #75

If you're sold on Tailscale due to them "being open" (as they semi-officially support the development of Headscale), keep in mind, that at the same time some of their clients are closed source and proprietary, and thus totally controlled by them and the official distribution channels, like Apple. Some of the arguments given for this stance are just ridiculous: > If users are comfortable running non-open operating sys…

Went with ZeroTier and Netbird, they're not too bad.

I keep hoping to switch to Netbird, but run into the same issue every time for the last couple of years I've been trying it - peers randomly drop of the network. There's a longish standing open issue on their GitHub.

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Post by wolvoleo »

8cvor6j844qw_d6 wrote: post #83
ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #75

If you're sold on Tailscale due to them "being open" (as they semi-officially support the development of Headscale), keep in mind, that at the same time some of their clients are closed source and proprietary, and thus totally controlled by them and the official distribution channels, like Apple. Some of the arguments given for this stance are just ridiculous: > If users are comfortable running non-open operating sys…

Went with ZeroTier and Netbird, they're not too bad.

Zerotier is a lot harder to self-host than tailscale

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Post by dimatura »

gpm wrote: post #31
dimatura wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our company pays for the premium business plan, $18/mo/user. You have to pay for at least the lower tier plan once your team grows beyond a handful of people. And there's several quite useful features (though maybe not essential) on the premium plan like serve/funnel and SSH. On the other hand, I do wonder about zerotier. before tailscale we used zerotier for a few years, and during the first 3-4 years we paid nothin…

I've used serve/funnel on the tailscale free tier... definitely agree that the team size limit seems like it would move companies to the paid plan though.

I think how it works usually is that they let you use the features from higher tier plans than the one you're on; once you use them enough they send you an email asking to upgrade. That's what happened to us and I've seen other users mention it. Not sure how I felt about it, OTOH maybe it was less friction than explicitly subscribing for some "2 weeks free trial" or whatever but OTOH it did feel weird and unexpected. Anyway, we felt the extra features were worth it so ended up paying.

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Post by wolvoleo »

pmarreck wrote: post #125
ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #75

If you're sold on Tailscale due to them "being open" (as they semi-officially support the development of Headscale), keep in mind, that at the same time some of their clients are closed source and proprietary, and thus totally controlled by them and the official distribution channels, like Apple. Some of the arguments given for this stance are just ridiculous: > If users are comfortable running non-open operating sys…

I don't understand this attitude. Some humans have to eat and put a roof over their heads sometimes, and extracting consulting fees from open-source work (i.e. the Redhat model) is not always a paying business model. A hybrid model is often the best way to compromise. Disclaimer: I'm pursuing a similar solution on an app I'm working on. The CLI will be free and open-source (and will have feature parity with the GUI),…

Personally, I understand people need to make money but this tends to be a death spiral (enshittification). So I tend to go for solutions without those incentives at all. Or at least use the free self hosted option.

I wonder why you jumped into the mesh vpn market, it's so saturated. Theres literally hundreds of solutions out there (niche ones included for the mainstream ones it's probably 10 or so), many non profit options included. Is there really a niche you can offer that the others don't?

Edit: ah by doing the same thing you didn't necessarily mean a mesh vpn? I don't really understand what your thing does but not vpn.

I was just saying it because there's a new Show HN mesh VPN thing weekly now.

Re: Tailscale Peer Relays is now generally available

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Post by Lammy »

drcongo wrote: post #142
Lammy wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Open source = I should be able to fork it, change it, and use it Open source = The maintainers should build exactly what I hysterically scream at them If I had to choose one definition of open source from these two options, it's going to option 1 I'm afraid.

Once again confusing Open Source with Free Software.
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